Dinesh DSouza reveals what to look for and talks about his new film and book Vindicating Trump..
In this episode, Dinesh unpacks his newest film, “Vindicating Trump,” which aims to shed light on potential election fraud and defend Donald Trump’s decisions during his presidency, particularly in the face of the COVID-19 pandemic. We’ll explore the film’s critical observations on absentee ballots, the implementation of security measures like watermarks in Michigan, and the vulnerabilities within our election system that could pave the way for fraud.
Dinesh also delves into Trump’s unique ability to connect with diverse groups, the media’s narrative versus the reality of his personal interactions, and the stark contrasts posed by political figures such as Kamala Harris. Through compelling anecdotes and insights, we’ll examine why Trump is seen as a resilient figure by his supporters and a formidable opponent by his critics. Get ready for an eye-opening conversation on election integrity, political authenticity, and the undeniable influence of Donald Trump.
TRANSCRIPT
Justin Barclay [00:00:00]:
That joins us now. And the new film is vindicating Trump, obviously. Look, every time, Dinesh, every time you put something out, we love to see it. You have really, I think, started a, I don’t know, kind of a conservative movement in these films that now is really picking up. I think you’re kind of like, really the leader to begin this movement now. There’s so many great films being made for conservatives, and I love to see it because there’s always an opportunity for us to, I think, wake people up through these films, really. And I know you’ve got a book to go along with it, but thanks for being here with us today.
Dinesh D’Souza [00:00:39]:
Delighted to do it. And, yes, you’re quite right. It’s, you know, the films are a way to do an end run around the mainstream media, around some of the digital censorship. So if you can get films in the theater, and of course, there’s Reagan Daily wired it on my racist. Now, of course, this film vindicating Trump. And so the other thing about films that’s important is that they appeal to the head and the heart. So they have an intellectual component. A good film will have ideas in it, but it will also be a story.
Dinesh D’Souza [00:01:16]:
It’ll be a narrative, it will be cinematic, ideally. And so it’ll have a really good musical score. That is the kind of emotional script of the film. So all these elements go into making a good film.
Justin Barclay [00:01:29]:
I mean, and as you mentioned, like, that is, I think that’s missing a lot these days, is, you know, to be able to reach people, you have to do the head and the heart. You have to get both, because we can have these arguments about logic all day long. But as you see, like in a day and age where two and two equal five and the left is always telling us, well, now, men, men can have babies, you know, all these things that are just completely beyond logic and reason. You have to have a way to reach those people emotionally. And these films just, they do that spectacular.
Dinesh D’Souza [00:02:05]:
Yeah. And it’s not just a reason emotion distinction. It’s also this, that one of the important values in our culture these days, and this was not always the case historically, but certainly in recent times, the great value of authenticity or sincerity or being yourself. Now, I think the good news for our side is that Trump is authentic. I mean, whatever you say about the guy, he is like the real deal. He is like the one and only Trump. And you can almost say that when God made this guy, he threw away the mold. Right? His reaction to the two assassination attempts alone is sufficient proof of that.
Dinesh D’Souza [00:02:42]:
The thing about Kamala Harris and Tim Walz is that they, they’re playing a role. I mean, there’s something a little fake about both of them. Tim Walz, for example, when he meets you, is just excessively effusive. It’s just not normal. He jumps up and down his, his arms, you know, flay, I mean, it’s, it’s downright comical. He’s like a cartoon character and, you know, he’s play, he’s putting it on.
Justin Barclay [00:03:03]:
Yeah. Have you seen, and I’m sure you have, but there’s a new to today. There’s a picture of Kamala on the airplane, and this is just posted in time for Hurricane Helene. And there she is. She’s working. She’s working hard, and she’s got the papers. And they look to be blank, probably with the mind matching the mind, but also the Airpods earbuds or whatever she’s got aren’t even plugged in to the phone talking to. But, you know, just, it made me chuckle because I saw this and I thought to myself, it’s just like the rest of this, this whole charade, this administration, these people are completely disconnected from reality.
Dinesh D’Souza [00:03:50]:
Well, what’s going on here, I think, is this, and that is that the media is pushing almost consistently across mainstream media a single line. Here’s their line. Because they’re in a tough situation. By and large. People don’t like the direction the country is going. They don’t like what they see around them. They don’t like what they’re experiencing. So normally that means throw the bums out.
Dinesh D’Souza [00:04:13]:
I mean, that’s like an iron law of politics. So the media is pushing now a narrative that goes something like this. Do not believe your lying eyes. Do not believe your pocketbook. Do not believe your retirement account. Do not believe grocery prices or gas prices. Do not believe the crime rates in your city. Do not believe the scenes you see of thousands of people rushing the border.
Dinesh D’Souza [00:04:34]:
None of that. Believe instead this new, an improved Kamala that we are manufacturing for you. And all of these are cultivated images to fit inside that theme. So the basic idea is that the american people are complete morons and they’re counting on people to be so dumb that they can’t see through the charade and they can’t see that these are people who’ve been in office for four years. Even their allegations about Donald Trump, he’s a dictator. He’s this, he’s that. He was in office. So it’s one thing to warn that he will do this or he would do that.
Dinesh D’Souza [00:05:09]:
But when he was in office and he didn’t do any of those things. Well, it kind of loses a little credibility, doesn’t it?
Justin Barclay [00:05:15]:
Yeah. No, exactly. Right. Wouldn’t he have already done this and vice versa? I think you make the same case about her. If she was going to fix all the problems that she created, helped create, by the way, wouldn’t she have already done that?
Dinesh D’Souza [00:05:29]:
No. Exactly. Well, here is my thought about all that. There are two possibilities. Either she tried to fix the problems and she went to the White House meeting, I’ve got a new plan. You guys, you guys need to do this. And they all were like, you’re an idiot. We are not listening to you.
Dinesh D’Souza [00:05:44]:
So it could be that she proposed all these things and they dismissed her as a clown and paid no attention to her, or she didn’t know how to do them. She has no idea. She went along with Biden. She’s just saying, oh, I know how to create jobs. I know how to do this, I know how to do that. But she actually doesn’t know how to create a single job. To ask her, Kamala, how would you create a single job? Go ahead and tell us. I don’t think she would be able to answer that question.
Justin Barclay [00:06:13]:
You know, the price controls, all of these things that we have heard, aside from the things that she’s stolen from President Trump, the no tax on tips and some of those issues. But everything else really seems like we’re dealing with someone who is, is a marxist. I mean, someone who, if she did get her way in these policies would, would dramatically transform this nation and, of course, in very drastic, dramatic and disastrous ways. Just look at what they would do with the First Amendment. You’ve been on the other end of that.
Dinesh D’Souza [00:06:44]:
Yeah, I think one of the things I’m trying to do in this film, and by the way, the website is vindicating Trump.com. you can plug in your town or city and get tickets. It’ll pop up all the theaters around you. There’s also a book of the same title and you can order it off the website. So vindicating Trump. But there are even Republicans who have sort of anxieties about Trump. Right. And we’ve all heard things like, well, you know, I don’t really like the guy, but I like his policies or he needs to shut his mouth.
Dinesh D’Souza [00:07:14]:
I mean, basically, you’ve got people who want a sort of a new and remade Trump. They want to rehabilitate Trump in some way. And part of the argument, I’m making here is no, Trump has a package or a combination of qualities, and they may not be suited for any time in american history, but they happen to be very well suited to this particular time when the supreme political virtue that’s needed is courage. And Trump has that in a measure unlike anybody else.
Justin Barclay [00:07:44]:
It is. It really is for such a time as this is kind of how we look at it, I think, with him, and you’re right, he’s not perfect, but nobody else is. And can you imagine anyone else who can take on everything that he’s got to face and do it, in fact, somebody that’s had to face others? You just mentioned the assassination attempts and the physical ones. But I know you talk about this in the film, too, the law firm. I said from the beginning, he was never supposed to be the president. He was never supposed to win. It was always supposed to be Hillary. And look, they started with the Russia, Russia, Russia from the very beginning, both of the impeachment attempts and the law fair and everything else, they tried to take him out multiple times, and they haven’t been able to get him.
Dinesh D’Souza [00:08:33]:
This is the point. It’s not just what they’re doing. It is his unbelievable tenacity and resourcefulness. I mean, his legal rope a dope has to be seen to be believed. The way that he also ducks around all these judicial gag orders. He drives these judges, you know, insane, and he prevails. I mean, who would have thought that you fire a shotgun, let’s say a legal shotgun, with 91 criminal charges. The left was like, that’s going to get him.
Dinesh D’Souza [00:09:00]:
They’re going to get him over here. If not, we’re going to get him over there, and this guy’s going to be out for the count. No, not only that, but he figures out a way to get his poll ratings up. I mean, any other Republican facing two criminal charges would have exited the race, fled the field, never be heard from again. So right there, you see that this is a guy sort of unlike any other. And the courage, I mean, the second assassination attempt, in a way, just caps what happened in the first one. Namely, Trump is a little annoyed that he’s being interrupted in his golf game. I mean, who thinks like that, right? There’s a guy two holes down is trying to kill you, and he’s like, why are you taking me off the, I’m just about to make an amazing putt.
Dinesh D’Souza [00:09:43]:
This is a guy who thinks a little differently and has a toughness to him that is almost not of this century.
Justin Barclay [00:09:53]:
Where do you think that comes from. I’ve had multiple conversations on the air and in a couple in person. But the last time I talked to him, there was just something. It was before the first assassination attempt, but there was something so positive, and it was before we really had any, I don’t think any major news that was looking good, kind of like it is now, cautiously optimistic. But it was different. He just had this positive. There is no other way to describe it other than to say, like, he just didn’t even. Couldn’t conceive of any other way that he was gonna go on and not win, that he would, it wasn’t gonna happen, wasn’t possible he was gonna win.
Justin Barclay [00:10:34]:
He was gonna be able to turn the country around.
Dinesh D’Souza [00:10:36]:
I mentioned him in my conversation with him. My interview with Trump is kind of a centerpiece of the film. And I pulled up a clip from his interview with Charlie Rose. In the early 1990s. Trump is. He’s not only bankrupt, he owes, like, $200 million. I mean, he actually was. There’s a funny scene where he was walking with Marla Maples and he sees a homeless guy and Marlon Maples, Louis, that poor guy, he’s broke.
Dinesh D’Souza [00:11:00]:
And Trump goes broke. He goes, he’s $200 million richer than I am because I owe $200 billion. So Charlie Rose is talking to Trump, and he basically says, during this time of bankruptcy, debt, the market is crashed, the real estate markets in the doldrums. Did you ever think that you would not come back? And Trump goes, no. And Charlie Rose goes, I mean, never. It never even crossed your mind? And Trump goes, no. And so this guy has this steely ability to make success into a kind of inevitability. And so he projects that.
Dinesh D’Souza [00:11:40]:
And even after two assassination attempts, I mean, again, you know, any other person would have been, you know, very jittery about appearing in public, but Trump is not like that. I mean, this guy goes back to Butler, the scene of the first assassination attempt.
Justin Barclay [00:11:55]:
You know, that’s. And that’s something, because from the beginning, we’ve all kind of said, well, why does he. Why does he need this? He doesn’t need this. We could just go back to Mar a Lago, play golf and enjoy his money and his family, let’s be honest. But he, there’s something like a calling. There’s something that he just feels like he must do this.
Dinesh D’Souza [00:12:16]:
You know, in a way, I think it’s all encapsulated. And we show this in the film that, you know, that iconic scene of Trump coming down the escalator, 2015, announcing for president. Now, here’s how I see that scene. At the top of the escalator are all the cultural elites, kind of like Oprah’s up there, Ellen DeGeneres, all the Hollywood people, they’re all cheering Trump on. But then he does something very fateful. He gets on the escalator. He goes down, he descends. Now he descends where? Well, at the bottom of the escalator, I kind of envision the forgotten Americans.
Dinesh D’Souza [00:12:46]:
These are the guys who have gotten screwed over, ignored, sort of neglected by both parties. Their jobs are traded away. And so Trump is not one of them, but he decides to take up their cause. This is why they’re so loyal to him, because he didn’t have to do it, and yet he does. And you can also see that from the point of view of the cultural elites at the top of the escalator, they see Trump as a traitor. Hey. What? You’re leaving us? You’re taking up the cause of all those pitchfork people down there. You’re turning against your old friends.
Dinesh D’Souza [00:13:15]:
So this is why the people who used to love Trump turned so bitterly and hatefully against him.
Justin Barclay [00:13:21]:
The film is called vindicating Trump, booked by the same name. And Dinesh D’Souza with us now, always enjoy this work. And the way you just described that, what a man. That’s just perfect image for what we’re seeing and why there’s so much vitriol. Because, again, he was never supposed to win. He was never supposed to be there, and yet there he is, and he’s championing the cause of the american people. All right, I’ve got to talk. Maybe you’d be up for talking about October surprises.
Justin Barclay [00:13:53]:
And I say surprises because I don’t know about you, but I just have this feeling. People keep asking, what do you think? What do you think the October surprise is going to mess? I don’t think it’s going to be one. I think from here till election day and maybe even pass, because I think I get your take on this. But after post election day, let’s say he wins, that critical period of time between then and the inauguration is going to be very, it’ll be tense. What do you see on the horizon for that?
Dinesh D’Souza [00:14:24]:
Well, first of all, I think that you can expect a kind of desperation to be sinking in right about now. This is like a football team that’s just down. They have to win the game. They’re desperate to win. They’re going to try anything. And so we have to keep our eyes open for that. They will be thinking about all the stuff, anything we can think of, they will not only have thought of, but gone beyond it. So we think of the obvious stuff.
Dinesh D’Souza [00:14:48]:
Well, maybe Biden will step down and Kamala will become the president so she can be the incumbent. They’ve thought of that one. They’ve thought of a whole bunch of other stuff as well. And you’re right. The guy that they fear is Trump and only Trump. They figure that they can, they can handle any other Republican. And so this is why the, the focus of the law, fair, the focus of the assassination attempts is all this one man, because he has a certain kind of power that terrifies them. I said, I asked him this question, and you could see the, the surprise and recognition coming into his eyes.
Dinesh D’Souza [00:15:25]:
I said, you know, they keep saying you called for an insurrection. And as far as I can see, I said, you didn’t do that because you didn’t tell people, go in the capital, storm the place, take it over, stop the count. You didn’t do any of that. I said, but had you called for an insurrection on January 6, there would have been one, a real one. And I said, and there would be one. Now, if you called for one. And I said, I cannot think of anybody else who could pull that off. I mean, think about it.
Dinesh D’Souza [00:15:50]:
You know, if Kamala Harris calls for an insurrection, nothing will happen. If any other Republican calls for an insurrection, it’s like a joke. Two people will show up. But Trump has that kind of power. And I think this is, and he recognizes that. By the way, it’s very interesting to see, when I’m telling him this, he’s, he goes like, true. He doesn’t even, you don’t even hear him. You see his mouth moving and you can see he’s agreeing and, but the point being that, that they’re scared of Trump and what he represents.
Dinesh D’Souza [00:16:18]:
This is a guy who was a huge cultural celebrity before he even entered politics. He had one of the biggest brands in the world. And, you know, Reagan was a movie actor, but even Reagan wasn’t a big star. Reagan wasn’t Cary Grant, he wasn’t Humphrey Bogart, he wasn’t Jimmy Stewart. He was, he had had a decent Hollywood career. Trump is a cultural celebrity of a completely different dimension than even Reagan.
Justin Barclay [00:16:41]:
What do you make of, because as you’re mentioning these things in his way, to connect with people, I’m just thinking about how many people have come over, not just voters, but RFK Junior, Tulsi Gabbard. I can tell you in the Detroit area, we’ve got black pastors who are talking about how he’s reached out to the black community. And they’re really fascinating. They’re interested. We see those numbers moving. We see numbers even with Hispanics right now. The demographics are really interesting about what’s happening there. But there’s people, young people coming over as well, because he has a way of reaching people and talking to people, I think, and actually being willing to reach out to them.
Justin Barclay [00:17:21]:
What do you think about some of those things that are happening right now?
Dinesh D’Souza [00:17:24]:
Well, I think that people are getting a window, and you’ll get a big one if you watch this film, a window into the Trump in the round, because the, when the left makes accusations against him, the accusations have a grain of truth, but they’re actually very misleading because they’re not the whole story. For example, Trump is a bully. Now, the truth of it is, Trump is an 800 pound gorilla who will completely take on other 800 pound gorillas. He, when someone tries to bully him, he knows how to bully them back. But guess what? You never see Trump bully someone who’s beneath him. He’ll never bully a waiter. He’ll never bully a doorman. He’ll never bully an ordinary guy.
Dinesh D’Souza [00:18:05]:
He doesn’t give the middle finger to a cop. In other words, Trump is the kind of guy who has a disarming generosity, niceness and curiosity about people. The people who work for him love him, not just because he’ll hand out hundred dollar bills. He does do all that, but most importantly, he knows their names and he knows their kids names. And he sees a guy and he hasn’t seen him in a year, but he’s like, hey, buddy, how’s your son doing? You know, he’s, I heard he was here, he was finishing his, getting his license. And the guy’s, like, amazed that Trump remembers this. So that kind of decency of the guy, I think, is starting to come out and remember this is, it’s coming out against the fog of eight years of just relentless propagandistic attacks.
Justin Barclay [00:18:50]:
There’s that great moment where he just, there’s so many stories like this that you’re mentioning, but that moment the other day where that kid got that letter from him for his birthday, and then he went to visit the kid when he went to New York. And I think those moments are just so, they’re humanizing, because what they have been trying to do is dehumanize him throughout these last almost ten years. Now, Dinesh D’Souza, the movie is vindicating Trump book by the same name. And you can find it@vindicatingtrump.com. find out how you can see this film. Dinesh, let’s talk about, because we’ve been talking about this election and what things look like and where things are shaping up. I told you I’m cautiously optimistic. If people ask me, what do you think’s gonna happen, I feel really good, but I don’t get too optimistic and excited when I talk to people because I want, I sort of feel like we have to play like we’re ten points down, you know, that as he says, we’ve gotta make it too big to rig.
Justin Barclay [00:19:54]:
We gotta, we really have to fight like we’re coming from behind. What do you see on that front? I know you’re paying attention. Possibilities, new possibilities to steal the fraud, things like that. What do you see on the horizon that we’ve got to confront?
Dinesh D’Souza [00:20:12]:
Well, election fraud is the democrats go to. It’s their last resort. They’re certainly going to try it, particularly if they think they’re losing. They think they’re behind in some ways. You can argue that Trump slipped in in 2016 because they were so sure they were going to win and so their cheating mechanisms weren’t on in full operation. Now, I don’t think they can cheat quite the same way that they did in 2020. And because if they send mules in the middle of the night drop boxes, they’re going to be patriots that aware of that and are waiting for them and will have their cell phones turned on to make videos of it and so on. So they’re going to try new forms of cheating.
Dinesh D’Souza [00:20:49]:
And in the film, in this film, vindicating Trump, we have a section, it’s called the ballot makers. It’s crazy. I mean, I thought I was well informed about, reasonably well informed about election fraud. But I hired a couple of investigators and they come to me and they said, well, you know, we figured out that you can make ballots. And I was like, no, you get ballots from the state. You can’t make a ballot. They’re like, yes, you can. And I’m like, listen, don’t tell me this, because if you talk about it in the film, no one will leave you.
Dinesh D’Souza [00:21:18]:
So what you need to do is go do it. Go make ballots. Go buy the ballot stock. Go put the ballot information onto the ballot stock. Go show me that this ballot will fit into a tabulator and be counted as a normal ballot. So all of this is in the film. And it’s really disturbing and mind blowing. And I told Laura Trump, this co chair of the RNC, who’s interviewed in the film about it.
Dinesh D’Souza [00:21:40]:
And so the RNC knows about it. And really, my goal in exposing this kind of stuff, what we’re doing here is in 2000 meals, we were looking backward. We were looking in 2022 at what happened in 2020. Here I’m looking forward. I’m almost putting myself in the mind of the criminals. And I’m saying, let me see if I can find a vulnerability in our election system that people don’t even know about. And I’m putting it out there not to obviously educate the criminals or show them how to cheat, the opposite by blowing their cover, by exposing this vulnerability. I want to make it impossible for that kind of a heist to be.
Justin Barclay [00:22:13]:
Pulled off so they actually have the ability to print counterfeit ballots. What could stop this? What needs to be done? Obviously, the awareness portion is big here, but what could be done to stop this from happening?
Dinesh D’Souza [00:22:31]:
The RNC and the Trump campaign can easily deploy the mechanisms to stop it. Basically, this is how it works. The states that make ballots or distribute ballots don’t print those ballots themselves. They buy ballot stock, which is paper of a very carefully specified conditions, from a whole bunch of ballot wholesalers or retailers around the country. There’s dozens of these places. And the amazing thing is that these places make that ballot stock available for you and me to buy. You and I can order it online and have ballot stock delivered to our front door, like in two days. Right? So that’s the paper.
Dinesh D’Souza [00:23:12]:
Now, the point is, once you have the ballot stock, you’re off and running. Why? Because think of it this way, I live in the state of Texas. If I request from the state of Texas an absentee ballot, that’s a real ballot. It doesn’t say sample, and yet it doesn’t have a serial number, and it doesn’t have any kind of watermark. So I can now go down to a print shop, take that exact identical content of a ballot, and print it onto the ballot stock and make 10,000 copies. And I’ve got 10,000 real ballots. All I would then need is, I would need a name, I would need a signature. And by the way, up to this point, until I’ve made a fraudulent signature or added a fraudulent name and dropped it in a Dropbox, I haven’t even done anything illegal so far.
Dinesh D’Souza [00:24:00]:
So what we do in the film is we walk you through this rather terrifying idea that people can make legitimate ballots. And then think of it. If you can go to the voter rolls, if you can get names of people who voted in the past or on the voter rolls, but haven’t voted recently. I mean, the opportunities for fraud here are legion. And so again, my purpose is that public exposure is like the best disinfectant. Once people know about it, they’re going to be looking for it. The people who are in a position to fix this are going to be looking at it as well. And this is a job.
Dinesh D’Souza [00:24:39]:
This is really what a film can do, bring attention to an urgent problem that needs immediate attention.
Justin Barclay [00:24:46]:
Yeah, you said that. The word took it right out of my terrifying. That’s exactly what this is. You don’t need to counterfeit, you know, money if you can counterfeit ballots.
Dinesh D’Souza [00:24:58]:
Well, the point is that money is protected, right? I mean, if you look at, even at even a $20 bill, it has a big serial number on there and it has a watermark. And tellers are trained to distinguish that from a counterfeit bill. But the point is that we don’t treat ballots with the same care, even though a ballot is worth a lot more than $20.
Justin Barclay [00:25:19]:
It’s incredible. I know that a local clerk in Michigan, at least one we know of, has introduced watermarks and serial numbers, things like that on ballots now. It seems to me like it would be common sense that we would take those steps. It seems to me, especially after everything we’ve been through the last several years, that we would do anything and everything we can to make sure there’s not even an appearance of any sort of impropriety.
Dinesh D’Souza [00:25:47]:
It’s especially important for the absentee ballots because those are the ballots that are prepared outside of any kind of observation. If you go in to vote and you’re behind the curtain, there’s a limited number of things you can do. But think about it. You can’t go in there to vote in person and then say, hey, I have an important appointment. How about if I take my ballot with me and I’ll bring it back later, all filled out? They’ll be like, no way. You got to put it in right now. So that security of the ballot disappears when you’re dealing with absentee ballots. This is why the Democrats love absentee ballots, because it creates massive opportunities for cheating.
Dinesh D’Souza [00:26:24]:
And so we, I think, you know, conservatives have learned that it’s not enough to do rallies and campaigning. We’ve got to pay a lot more attention than we have before to the actual procedures that go with the election. Who opens the envelopes? Who decides if a signature matches or not, if the, the x mark is slightly outside of the circle? Who decides if that vote counts. The Democrats pay attention to this kind of stuff, and we should, too.
Justin Barclay [00:26:50]:
Dinesh d’Souza. The film is called vindicating Trump, booked by the same name. Go to the website vindicating Trump.com. but before we let you go, because I know folks are going to want to go look up the times to go see the film and make sure they get the book. But, Dinesh, anything else that you want to make sure that folks have before, before we let you go today?
Dinesh D’Souza [00:27:12]:
This is a movie that makes the case for Trump. And the thing about it is Trump, interestingly, does his own thing. He does his shtick, but he doesn’t make the case for himself. Reagan used, Reagan would say, here are seven reasons you should vote for me. And so the film and the book are doing something that complements what Trump is doing, but he doesn’t actually do it. He doesn’t do it himself. And I want to make the case here that is a, I would call it an unapologetic defense of Trump, because I’m not taking the view that Trump is this flawed guy, but, you know, on the balance, he is what we need or that his policies are good, even though his character is defective. I think Trump’s character is actually superior to most of his critics.
Dinesh D’Souza [00:27:52]:
Aristotle says that courage is the greatest of all the virtues, not just because it’s admirable in itself, but because it gives you the strength to do all the other virtues. And Trump has that in spades. But over and above that, and we’ve touched upon this today, is, you know, he’s a very nice guy. He’s sort of egotistical in public, but he’s not egotistical in private. He’s actually kind of self efficing. And he shows a lot of interest in other people. It’s not all about him. And even his actions, I think, proved that.
Dinesh D’Souza [00:28:21]:
I’ll just give one brief example. You know, during, when Covid came around. Now, Trump had this roaring economy. And if Trump only cared about himself, he could have said, listen, I don’t care what the guys in the white coat say. I’m not shutting down the economy because I care about my reelection. Everything else can go by the wayside. But no, he was like, listen, I care about the american people. I know if I shut down, even temporarily, I’m jeopardizing.
Dinesh D’Souza [00:28:44]:
I’m killing my own golden Goose. And yet he did it. And he did it, I think, because he has, he cares more about the country than he cares about his own prospects for reelection.
Justin Barclay [00:28:55]:
Yeah, it does. And you know, the interesting thing you said there, there are two different trumps. You get what you see on the media but then you get the guy that you meet in person or you have a conversation with in person and most people don’t get a chance to see that. I don’t even think I’ve gotten a chance to see who the real guy is. Those little interactions with people that could do nothing really for him really show the kind of guy that he is. And there’s so many of those stories. Dinesh D’Souza again, the film is called vindicating Trump. Thank you so much for taking the time.
Justin Barclay [00:29:28]:
Thank you for making these films and all the work that you do because I know they’re getting us closer to being able to take this country back. We need folks doing what they’re called to do on a daily basis and not afraid to do it.
Dinesh D’Souza [00:29:42]:
I really appreciate it. Thanks for having me on the show.
Justin Barclay [00:29:45]:
My pleasure.
