“What we’ve been subjected to is psychological bioterrorism — fear intentionally weaponized to control populations and push narratives.”
Dr. Robert Malone joins us to unpack the growing concerns around government and pharmaceutical corruption, the weaponization of fear, and the ongoing manipulation of public health narratives. We dive into the realities behind “psychological bioterrorism,” the misuse of AI in healthcare, and how fear-driven propaganda is used to push agendas—whether it’s COVID, bird flu, or the next “pandemic.” Dr. Malone shares candid insights about his personal journey, being vilified for telling the truth, and how his work continues to expose the deep ties between pharma, government, and media. We also discuss his thoughts on the future of AI, cancer treatments, and what “Make America Healthy Again” could really look like. This is a must-listen episode if you’re searching for truth in a world of carefully curated narratives.
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[00:00:00] Justin: Dr. Robert Malone, uh, I, I welcome in, I gotta say, I just freshly watched a clip of Joe Rogan and Woody Harrelson, which I’m sure you’ve seen by now, just talking about you. And, uh, this guy got it right about everything, you know, and they just went on. I’m sure you got a love. But, but at the same time, it’s one of those scenarios when you are right about things you just don’t want to be right about, [00:00:31] Dr. Robert Malone: well, that’s fair enough. [00:00:32] Dr. Robert Malone: Uh, it was, uh, you know, what we’re talking about is the COVID crisis and the government lies. And, uh, government and pharma and hospitals and, you know, just goes on and on in the corruption of the medical system. And, uh, you know, my, my personal beef, of course, was that, uh, through their manipulations and lies, they were destroying the kind of the foundations of the career that [00:01:00] I’d built as a specialist in clinical research and regulatory affairs and bioethics. [00:01:05] Dr. Robert Malone: And just blowing through that in a way that they just kind of didn’t even think about the consequences or care. Uh, they were just obsessively focused on getting a needle in every arm, uh, for whatever reason. That’s a, that’s a whole separate thread of why this obsession, but, uh, it was there. There’s no question about it. [00:01:24] Dr. Robert Malone: And, uh, I agree. It was, uh, one of the hardest things for me in my journey over the last four years is somebody, you know, that’s now labeled as a misinformation spreading anti vaxxer. You can look on my Wikipedia page. And all kinds of other ugly things, uh, even uglier on social media. I’ve been attacked by both sides as a mass murderer, uh, because I invented this technology when I was 28 and, uh, because I was speaking out against it in the present and that was [00:02:00] causing vaccine hesitancy. [00:02:01] Dr. Robert Malone: And of course, uh, the assumption there being that, uh, coronavirus is highly lethal and the vaccines were safe and effective, all lies. Um, but, uh, it, it certainly has been a, uh, quoting Grateful Dead, it has been a long, strange trip, uh, and, and, uh, um, I, uh, you know, you can’t, can’t look back and say, Oh, I wish it was otherwise you, you become who you are because you’ve been tried and tested. [00:02:36] Dr. Robert Malone: And, uh, for both my wife and I, we’ve grown quite a bit and, you know, of course, now we have international reputations. Or we’re internationally infamous, depending on which side of the fence you’re on. Uh, but, uh, um, at least here in my local community, uh, there’s a lot of folks that support me here in, uh, Red County in Virginia. [00:02:59] Dr. Robert Malone: [00:03:00] So there’s that. [00:03:01] Justin: Well, listen, uh, I, I know it’s, it’s gotta be tough, but you know, these, when you do the right thing, uh, a lot of times it’s, it’s not easy, um, but I am grateful for people like you. Um. And, and for, you know, a handful of others that during the time, I just remember a massive shift happened for us and in the program that I do here, um, during that time, because so many people wanted the truth. [00:03:26] Justin: They wanted answers. They even wanted good news. Something as simple as good news about hospitalization numbers or it could have been anything and they weren’t getting it. It was always a constant. Drumbeat of just bad news and fear and [00:03:42] Dr. Robert Malone: yeah, fear promoted fear. I call it psychological bioterrorism. Uh, it follows, you know, one of the things that I’ve had a series of these epiphanies over the last four years that kind of rock my world. [00:03:55] Dr. Robert Malone: Uh, you know, one of them was grappling with whether or not. We are the good [00:04:00] guys, uh, versus the narrative of American exceptionalism. And, and certainly the Doge, uh, make it a lot harder to make the case that we’re the good guys, uh, choosing my words there. Uh, but one of them was. Uh, in the, in the process of writing this book, CyWord, Uh, I, I had posted, what, what we do with our books is we serialize them on Substack, because we make a lot more money on Substack than you ever do on a book. [00:04:32] Dr. Robert Malone: And there’s no way that we could sustain ourselves on a book advance these days. But Substack, uh, pays for the hay and, and our mortgage. And, uh, as I was writing essays on Substack, uh, I read, one of, one of our readers, we have a very active reader community. They like, they like to read more than they want to watch videos, so they’re generally not young people.[00:05:00] [00:05:00] Dr. Robert Malone: Uh, and one of them posted that I should look at this uh, interview from 2017 that was published in a New Zealand uh, journal. Uh, with a former Russian KGB officer who had retired, um, as a Russian KGB, uh, intelligence officer who had been one of the lead specialists in Russia on biowarfare. And he, uh, he laid out in this interview what he described as standard spycraft involving the exploitation of fear around infectious disease. [00:05:40] Dr. Robert Malone: Uh, as a tool for disrupting economies and a number of other, uh, issues that’s in chapter four of the book, uh, in the chapter title is psychological bioterrorism. I recently republished that article on that chapter on substack if anybody wants to go find it. But if you step [00:06:00] through the process and, and steps and roles and responsibilities and different communities that get involved in promotion of this fear of infectious disease. [00:06:12] Dr. Robert Malone: What you find is that in this interview from 2017, so long before the COVID crisis, what’s laid out are a series of steps that precisely mirror the propaganda and strategy that is apparently deployed during COVID. And by the way, also precisely mirror the current bird flu fear and the, uh, fear of monkey pox, uh, et cetera, et cetera. [00:06:41] Dr. Robert Malone: This is all intentionally weaponized. This, that’s not a conspiracy theory, and you can follow the steps of how the narrative gets, you know, it’s a false narrative. It gets injected into media, typically lower level media, and then it gets built, um, basically using something akin to Nancy Pelosi’s wrap up [00:07:00] smear. [00:07:00] Dr. Robert Malone: Yeah, strategy gets built into larger and larger media. It gets amplified by academics that are cited, that are, you know, friendly to whatever the narrative is because they have, she said, merchandise. That’s what she called it. Merchandise. [00:07:16] Justin: Nancy called it merchandised. That’s [00:07:19] Dr. Robert Malone: a good way to put it. Uh, so, so that’s what we’ve been subjected to. [00:07:25] Dr. Robert Malone: You know, we’re still, uh, all we can do is, is kind of sense the shape and, and the general outline of who the puppet masters are. Uh, that are behind all this, and there’s been a lot of speculation, uh, you know, people used to think it was Tony Fauci, then they thought it was Klaus Schwab, uh, then they thought it was the Bilderbergs and, uh, the Atlantic Council and, you know, we can go on and on and on. [00:07:52] Dr. Robert Malone: Uh, absolutely, uh, the global promotion of these narratives involved USAID and [00:08:00] CIA. [00:08:02] Justin: Can fear make you sick? I hear you talking about this [00:08:05] Dr. Robert Malone: with suicide. It’s associated with depression. It’s, it’s associated with excess all cause mortality. Uh, there’s all kinds of things that are derivatives of fear. It is absolutely, you know, anathema to making America healthy. [00:08:23] Dr. Robert Malone: Again, this promoted fear narrative, but still, uh, those, uh, engineers or agents. that do this. Uh, here’s my fear, frankly, Justin, is that the pharmaceutical industry has assimilated this process of weaponization of fear of infectious disease as part of their marketing and propaganda promotion. So it’s not just government. [00:08:52] Dr. Robert Malone: It’s also pharma. That’s a stakeholder and pharma acts through it. And, of course, Bill Gates. It acts through a number of nefarious [00:09:00] mechanisms, uh, such as the Foundation for CDC. which they’ve created a slush fund. It’s congressionally approved that Gates and Pharma donate to and then can get CDC to do their bidding. [00:09:13] Dr. Robert Malone: And then CDC uses this slush fund to fund public good projects, public good projects, funds shots heard around the world, shots heard around the world, funds. These, uh, cyber stalking and gang stalking operations against physicians and others that are saying things that, uh, whoever it is, that’s the puppet master doesn’t want to be said, uh, et cetera, et cetera. [00:09:38] Dr. Robert Malone: We have the Global Alliance for Responsible Media. We have the Trusted News Initiative. We have all of these large. Kind of transnational organizations now that are engaging in this, uh, as Schellenberger and Taibbi call it, uh, censorship industrial complex, but it’s so much more than just censorship. [00:09:57] Justin: I want to ask about those, those programs that you just [00:10:00] mentioned and maybe what’s happening with DOJ and, and, and, uh, the efforts within, uh, The make America healthy again movement and how things might, um, change policy wise and whatnot here in a, in a moment. [00:10:11] Justin: But first let me go because you’ve got, you just said fear. And so on the last few days, we’ve had massive, and we’ve been talking about these stories and I, I, I just, I’m not a. You know, I’m not an expert, but I’m just, I can tell you that I’ve seen enough media. I’ve seen enough stories that I see like there’s a, there’s something picking up here. [00:10:30] Justin: They’re there. It feels like throwing things against the wall to see if they can get something to stick right now. I’ll just say that that’s my personal opinion when I look at the the from a media perspective But here are some of these some of the headlines. Let’s talk about these stories here quickly Uh new coronavirus with potential to cause pandemic discovered in china This is uh, this I think this was the bat lady the wuhan bat lady says she found the new new [00:11:00] coronavirus Is this just a fear? [00:11:02] Justin: Something that’s uh, that’s kind of drummed up with a fear tactic or is this something that that is concerning? [00:11:08] Dr. Robert Malone: So you have to look in the preceding narrative was a human met a new virus that was coming out of China. You’ll recall that that was a promoted narrative beer narrative that got a lot of parents worked up because human met a new virus has been in the population for decades. [00:11:26] Dr. Robert Malone: And, and it has a very similar, uh, pathology and, and, uh, disease profile to respiratory syncytial virus. A lot of stuff that’s attributed to RSV is actually, uh, so that, that’s an example. Here, what, in, in reviewing these things, uh, you will see these promoted narratives that use, uh, very, uh, alarming inflammatory language, um, and yet you have to have the presence of mind to dissect that.[00:12:00] [00:12:00] Dr. Robert Malone: So here are the key phrase in the lead headline with potential to cause pandemic. Yeah. So likewise, bird flu is promoted as this great fear thing in the current narrative. But the truth is that even the CDC says that it’s a low risk for humans. There’s no evidence of human to human transmission efficiently sustained. [00:12:25] Dr. Robert Malone: And it’s not putting a lot of people in the hospital or in graves. So, uh, it’s, you know, and originally it was promoted as 50 percent lethal bird flu was and you had Robert Redfield reciting that statistic from the WHO, which is basically a sampling artifact. It has to do with, you know, stuff that gets reported to the WHO is the most severe cases. [00:12:48] Dr. Robert Malone: So when you, when you see headlines like this, if you’re somebody who is alert to these promoted narratives, you have to take the time and most people [00:13:00] won’t, you have to, these are designed to create an impression in your mind, particularly when they’re repeated, uh, but, uh, if, if you do take the time, and this Big part of what we do on Substack is we find things like this and then we tear them apart. [00:13:16] Dr. Robert Malone: If you walk through this, uh, you’ll find that the, uh, information doesn’t really support the headline. But people don’t have the time and they don’t have the background. They’re not molecular virologists, uh, immunologists, vaccinologists. And, and they can’t really process any more than the fear narrative that’s promoted. [00:13:38] Dr. Robert Malone: Uh, and so, for instance, if talking about bird flu, uh, it’s called repeatedly in the press, high pathogenic avian influenza. And so, uh, the question comes, well, how lethal is it in chickens, for example? The answer is 100 percent lethal because if your flock gets infected, the USDA comes and kills them all.[00:14:00] [00:14:00] Dr. Robert Malone: Yeah. So it’s 100 percent lethal because of human intervention. But if you didn’t do that, um, what fraction of chickens would die? Unknown because they haven’t actually done the studies. Uh, so, you know, another example of, of a false promoted narrative, uh, in, and when you see these things pop up and they’ll often come in, I don’t know what this, uh, the source is here, but it looks like, well, that’s daily [00:14:27] Justin: mail, I think, or yeah, daily mail, [00:14:29] Dr. Robert Malone: daily mail. [00:14:30] Dr. Robert Malone: Okay. So is daily mail, major media that’s credibly sourced, or is it a propaganda outlet? And, and in many ways, it’s a propaganda outlet. Uh, so are many of the british publications that come out with these spectacular headlines to your point [00:14:47] Justin: Not to interrupt you but to your point that was that was I think a yesterday or the day before and then the follow up The follow up to that is now they’ve taken it [00:15:00] and they’ve expanded it. [00:15:01] Justin: Here’s a Vanderbilt professor who says he’s terrified about this thing. [00:15:05] Dr. Robert Malone: Yeah, so that, that entirely cracks with what I’m calling psychological bioterrorism. You’ll have this, uh, storyline injected into a lower level media. And then you’ll have an academic who has some, uh, financial stake in this and, and basically the entire infectious disease community, particularly the academic research community, uh, makes hay while the sun shines with these outbreaks because the, what the ecosystem is that you stir up this fear in the public. [00:15:35] Dr. Robert Malone: Public puts pressure on the politicians. Politicians put pressure on the NIH, NIH and BARDA initiate these large programs like the half billion dollars to Moderna to develop a new bird flu vaccine that was pushed through at the last minute of the Biden administration. So this is a way to turn on the tap if you’re an academic that’s in this space. [00:15:59] Dr. Robert Malone: And you have to be [00:16:00] aware of that. These people are not unbiased. [00:16:05] Justin: It really is. And you know, it’s very interesting because now, along with what DOJ has done, I’m sort of unveiling what’s happening at, at the USAID and these media companies that were on the take. They were getting money. We’re starting to see where that funding was going. [00:16:22] Justin: Every bit of what you just said, you can start to actually see the dots connect. It’s becoming, I think all of the things that we had a gut feeling or knew somehow were going on. We’re really starting to see that the real evidence of it now. [00:16:36] Dr. Robert Malone: Absolutely. Um, thank you, Ilan and Doge. Uh, the Doge initiative is fascinating and it is potentially scalable across the world, by the way, either directly overtly through partnerships with other nation states that may wish to kind of disambiguate what’s going on inside by their own deep state [00:17:00] organizations. [00:17:01] Dr. Robert Malone: And also by, uh, let’s say gently intelligence communities that have toolkits that have can openers, metaphorically speaking, that can gain access to, uh, databases in, in hostile or frenemy organizations, uh, governments. And, and basically take this, uh, kind of, uh, bought, uh, automated bot approach to, uh, grabbing and cataloging data and structuring relationships. [00:17:36] Dr. Robert Malone: Uh, the, the capabilities here are profound and powerful, and if I, if you allow me just to illustrate it with an example, it’s not a direct analogy, but very much illuminating. BlackRock became the monster that it currently is, the global financial powerhouse, [00:18:00] consequent to its authorization under the Obama administration to distribute the TARP funds. [00:18:06] Dr. Robert Malone: How is that anything like Doge? So, uh, what BlackRock did is they said, Well, if you’re going to receive this money from us, we have to be able to provide accounting and tracking for how you spend the funds. So therefore, you have to let us into your books, you have to let us use our algorithmic tools to search through all of your transactional records and your financial records and those of secondary recipients of the money. [00:18:41] Dr. Robert Malone: And as a consequence, BlackRock built the largest global financial transaction database in the world. And having this in hand now, they were able to do, uh, algorithmic projections of future economic [00:19:00] activity and use that to guide their own investment decisions, just like Trump is going to use the knowledge of the audit of Pentagon and Treasury and, and let’s hope the Federal Reserve and everything else, uh, to discern what is really happening in those organizations And then set policy and make, uh, you know, proactive actions based on that intelligence because that’s what it is, uh, financial intelligence, granular financial intelligence, and it won’t be very long until we’re grabbing and utilizing that information from friend and foe, uh, to make predictions about what they’re doing and what they’re going to do in the future. [00:19:46] Dr. Robert Malone: This is akin to what Google and Amazon and everybody else does in Silicon Valley to all of us by grabbing all the data they can about us, audio [00:20:00] and written, and then building behavioral profiles or avatars of us based on all that information, and then building it. Uh, what what are essentially, uh, predictive algorithms of behavioral futures that they then sell, uh, for a variety of purposes, intelligence and commercial, uh, to whoever wants to buy them, uh, so that people can, uh, people, uh, third parties can predict, uh, whether or not you’re ready to buy a car or, uh, what your political party affiliation is or, You know, a myriad of other things. [00:20:42] Dr. Robert Malone: This is all going to be made possible, in part, by the kind of approach that DOJ is taking to the U. S. government. And we can only hope that it’s, that all that information is used. Uh, for, uh, our benefit as taxpayers, and it won’t be in some way weaponized against us in the future. [00:21:00] [00:21:01] Justin: It really is interesting as you start to plug in the, the, the AI connection on some of these things. [00:21:06] Justin: And we saw a story, uh, I, I work with it probably not to the extent that, that most people do. But if, you know. The little bit that I’ve noticed and how advanced it’s gotten just in the last few months and how quick it’s moving. And, and I, you know, I use it with little things to make my job quicker, uh, easier and make me better. [00:21:25] Justin: It could be a good, [00:21:27] Dr. Robert Malone: it could be a good investigative tool. Uh, it’s, it’s a better search engine than Google is basically AI’s, except for the fact that the training of these AIs has bias. Um, so you can get access to information that you might not otherwise readily access, say, through Google or Brave, but, uh, it comes, it’s spun just the same as Googling and Brave. [00:21:51] Dr. Robert Malone: The other day, uh, Jill, my, my partner and wife, you know, for 46 years, uh, was, uh, [00:22:00] researching an essay that she was preparing for a substack. Uh, and she wanted to talk about. You know, the same topic of propaganda and information manipulation, and, uh, she chose to use the example of, uh, how, uh, Joe Rogan, which is a hot topic now because of that clip that you referred to earlier, uh, how Joe Rogan had been impacted by third parties. [00:22:33] Dr. Robert Malone: Uh, to try to dissuade Spotify from continuing to keep Joe Rogan on their platform. And there was a concerted effort to basically de platform Joe Rogan off of Spotify. One of their major intellectual properties and a lot of people were aware because it’s what the press come covered about Neil Young and Joni Mitchell, uh, in in the kind of the Laurel Canyon hip [00:23:00] crowd of the sixties, uh, protesting this, uh, in in threatening to withdraw their catalogs off of Spotify, which, um. [00:23:09] Dr. Robert Malone: You know, the young people were basically, you know, who’s who’s, uh, who’s Neil Young? Um, And why should I care? But the truth is, as revealed by, uh, I think it was Senate judiciary, House judiciary, that what transpired was that Coca Cola Corporation, um, used, uh, acted through Garm to get Garm to threaten the Global Alliance for Responsible Media, which was set up by the World Economic Forum, Uh, to threaten Spotify that if Spotify didn’t do something about this notorious podcast, uh, in this notorious podcaster, then, uh, Spotify would lose all of their advertising revenue because Garm is, [00:24:00] has a socket with among other things, AdSense. [00:24:03] Dr. Robert Malone: Uh, which is, uh, what provides this, uh, kind of global monopoly on advertising. This has to be broken up. This is part of the antitrust actions that are ongoing against Google right now. Uh, that’s the ecosystem. And so Jill decided to search the various AIs, perplexity is where she started, uh, to see if they would recognize that. [00:24:29] Dr. Robert Malone: Uh, there was this history, uh, of Coca Cola, um, acting, uh, uh, on Rogan consequent to my interview and, uh, none of them would acknowledge it. So then she would point out the judiciary report and she would get the usual, Oh, I’m so sorry. I overlooked that. Uh, that they, the bots, the, the, the AI sent back to you. [00:24:54] Dr. Robert Malone: Uh, and then she continued to persist. And, uh, the AIs that she was [00:25:00] interacting with would acknowledge that, uh, Coca Cola had some role in, with GARM to try to suppress Rogan on Spotify, but they would never use my name. I’ve apparently been blacklisted, as have others, on a number of these AIs. My name can’t be used. [00:25:19] Dr. Robert Malone: I am. I am a he who shall not be named in some of these. And and that is the case with multiple of these algorithms and other individuals that have been controversial from time to time. That’s that’s what’s happening right now. As we turn to using a I for the searches. What we’re not aware of is there are large blocks of information that are basically prohibited from you knowing it. [00:25:43] Dr. Robert Malone: So they have basically algorithmically up integrated the Overton window. Things that Overton window of acceptable discourse prohibits are engineered into the A. I. So you can’t even. Get [00:26:00] in answers for things that are outside of the Overton window. [00:26:04] Justin: It’s fascinating. I found and I mostly use chat GPT I’ve used grok But when it tells me it can’t do something I was just says why is that and then nine times out of ten will say oh, sorry. [00:26:18] Justin: I I figured out how to do it. So I don’t know that it’s lazy. I don’t want to say that, but I think that there’s some sort of conflict with rules happening. [00:26:28] Dr. Robert Malone: Yes. [00:26:29] Justin: Kind of, kind of what you just, what [00:26:31] Dr. Robert Malone: you’re doing then is you’re smoking out those algorithmic, uh, fences that exist within these AIs. [00:26:39] Justin: It’s, it’s fascinating because again, um, we had a story today, uh, this from the BBC AI, uh, cracks, this super bug. [00:26:49] Justin: problem in two days. It took scientists years, they say. So I not dig too far into this, but what is the future when it comes to AI and any technology? I [00:27:00] kind of look at it and say, okay, we’ve got good and bad. So there’s, there’s, it’s like firearms or, or, you know, fire. Edison used to say electricity could cook your meal or cook, cook the man and say, like the way that you use this in the hands that it’s in. [00:27:14] Justin: Uh, I guess it’s going to determine it. And as you mentioned, uh, programming on this stuff too, but future of AI and medicine, do we have, uh, maybe some of the, the, the good, the bad and the ugly. [00:27:27] Dr. Robert Malone: So a great case study to illuminate this topic. Is the press, uh, announcement that came out of the White House on the day after the inauguration [00:27:39] Justin: in [00:27:41] Dr. Robert Malone: which we had Larry Ellison and his band of, uh, um, you know, people that Elon Musk hates, uh, because they have taken Elon’s money, uh, to build an AI that would be open source and then they’ve, uh, taken it, uh, and so, Larry pitched, [00:28:00] uh, and it is a pitch. [00:28:01] Dr. Robert Malone: I mean, it’s an overt sales pitch that was made to a, uh, susceptible and somewhat naive recipient, uh, that you could think of as the ultimate, uh, um, federal acquisition officer, Donald Trump. And, uh, so Larry and company pitched Donald Trump a solution to something that is a pain point for Donald Trump. [00:28:26] Dr. Robert Malone: Now this is classical. as somebody trained in business development in a beltway bandit called task, it’s now been bought. Uh, but, uh, this is what one is trained to do is you find the pain point for the government customer, and then you offer a solution that will resolve that pain that will address that pain point, whatever it is. [00:28:48] Dr. Robert Malone: And Donald Trump’s among many Donald Trump’s pain points is the rise in the threat of, uh, communist China. Uh, superiority in [00:29:00] artificial intelligence, so it’s a hot topic and it directly relates to the issue of making America great again on on shoring manufacturing and other capabilities and enabling American invasion. [00:29:13] Dr. Robert Malone: The thesis is that without advanced artificial intelligence. Uh, we’re not going to be able to, uh, adapt and innovate to the, uh, reality commercial reality. So that’s the promoted narrative that you must have advanced AI. And when we say advanced AI to unpack that the subtext, there is a general autonomous, uh, artificial intelligence. [00:29:39] Dr. Robert Malone: Uh, right now we had have limited general A. I. And, uh, so we’re the current. As you’ve noted, the current A. I. S. are kind of bought like, and they don’t represent true intelligence. They represent the product of machine learning. Where you’ve trained a algorithmic on a [00:30:00] algorithm on a, on a data set. Then once it’s trained, then you let it loose on a larger data set, trade trained and validated. [00:30:08] Dr. Robert Malone: So that’s machine learning. Uh, and most of what we call AI is really machine learning algorithms. On the horizon is the general autonomous AI that will be a supermind that, uh, will exceed, uh, human IQs by 1,000 thousand fold, uh, um, uh, and uh, in, in that, uh, world. Uh, that is part of the whole transhuman agenda. [00:30:43] Dr. Robert Malone: It’s anticipated that this general autonomous AI will take over management of the world and management of a whole lot of things because it will be able to do so with less bias, greater efficiency, no corruption, all kinds of things that are we’re told come with [00:31:00] allowing the machines to make our, you know, decide how to manage our world. [00:31:06] Dr. Robert Malone: Uh, so Larry. He is a transhumanist, and by the way, so is Donald Trump, and this is a kind of a new religion in Silicon Valley and among the, uh, hyperworld that I find remarkably similar to another trend that existed when I was a young man and, and, uh, you know, a teen. Uh, which was the cryogenic preservation of heads, uh, and the rich people were all having those, those that were out on the edge, like Walt Disney, uh, when they were dying, they were having their heads cryogenically preserved so that they could some, at some point in the future be reawoken, uh, and attached to a new head or whatever the idea was, a machine or whatever. [00:31:49] Dr. Robert Malone: There’s a thought out there that the movie [00:31:52] Justin: Frozen, there’s a thought out there that the movie Frozen was given its title. And I don’t know if it’s true or not, that [00:32:00] so when people googled Disney frozen, his head frozen, they wouldn’t get the story about his head being frozen. [00:32:08] Dr. Robert Malone: I won’t put anything past Disney. [00:32:11] Dr. Robert Malone: Uh, Disney is increasingly evil and woke. So, uh, you know, they’ll do anything. But, uh, so that’s That’s the world we’re talking about is the logic that as we move towards this machine hyperbrain that is, uh, you know, the movie The Matrix or series The Matrix is remarkably prescient about, uh, that, uh, individuals will be able to upload their avatars, this kind of vector sum of all that is known about them and all that they’ve said and felt and their voice and everything else uploaded onto, uh, this new, uh, Super computer reality and they’ll live forever.[00:33:00] [00:33:00] Dr. Robert Malone: And by the way, that will enable space exploration and colonization of Mars because you’ll no longer have to have physical humans. Uh, with all of their, uh, unsustainable environmental requirements, uh, you can just upload your consciousness. Thank you, Elon, into the machine that gets uploaded into the spacecraft and off, off you go to explore the, uh, um, world of Star Trek. [00:33:26] Dr. Robert Malone: Uh, and so that’s, that’s where Larry Ellison at about 80 years old, and I make the case. In examining this pitch that was made that basically much of the impetus for this transhuman world is coming from, uh, elderly tech bros, uh, that are now facing their mortality and, you know, or, or you could say elderly godless tech bros if you wanted, uh, but you get the [00:34:00] point. [00:34:00] Dr. Robert Malone: Uh, and so he makes this pitch to Donald Trump about A. I. And we need to have this new Stargate. Interesting term, uh, that will provide this amazing new A. I. Capability. Well, what he’s not saying is that the whole thing is really designed to enable. General autonomous AI. And by the way, it will consume power. [00:34:26] Dr. Robert Malone: Uh, again, flashback to the matrix. Uh, it will consume power at the level of all the natural gas utilization, energy utilization in the state of Texas on an annual basis. Okay, so massive power requirements, uh, to create this huge thing. And so Larry apparently finds it necessary to come up with some sort of a pitch strategy Uh, to get the dogs to eat the dog food to get people the general population to say, Oh, yeah, absolutely. [00:34:57] Dr. Robert Malone: We need to have a half trillion dollar [00:35:00] program, uh, to enable, uh, general autonomous a I, uh, because fill in the blank. What is what’s what is this going to do for you is the question that has to be answered. And so Larry, I think without the authorization of Susie Wiles, interjects this narrative that what they’re going to use it for, among other things, is customized personal cancer vaccines that can be made within 48 hours robotically by M. [00:35:32] Dr. Robert Malone: R. N. A. Technology. Okay. In that sentence, he’s packed together four or five hot buttons of the Trump administration. Mr Mr Trump, you know, Joe Biden has failed in his moonshot twice, uh, to cure cancer. Despite all the money that’s been spent, you know, there’s, uh, we heard all about moonshot twice when he was VP and then it was president and yet there has been no press about the amazing successes we’ve [00:36:00] had on the cancer front. [00:36:01] Dr. Robert Malone: Matter of fact, the big successes in the cancer front have been things like ivermectin and fenbendazole and other alternative treatments that don’t involve blasting your immune system to shreds. Uh, so, so then Larry pitches that we’re going to have this amazing capability. So then me and like every other person that has any experience in cancer vaccines. [00:36:26] Dr. Robert Malone: Looks at this and goes bs. Um, because, uh, that, that whole thesis that Larry pitched to the president, uh, and pitched to all of us has been out there literally my entire career. Okay. The idea of customized personal cancer vaccines changes each time there’s a new delivery system, and of course now it’s RNA, uh, and Nic lipids, but you know, before it, it goes all the way back. [00:36:55] Dr. Robert Malone: I had a mentor who was the guy that founded the. U. S. C. Cancer Center. His [00:37:00] name is Murray Gardner. And, uh, back in the sixties, he had ties to the National Cancer Institute or whatever it was back then, and he’d been shipped out to the West Coast to kind of be the tip of the spear from the East Coast National Cancer Institute institutions. [00:37:14] Dr. Robert Malone: And, uh, he, because he landed in L. A., uh, um, he’s a pathologist, uh, working in cancer. Uh, he used to, he told the story, he used to have these young male stars and starlets, I guess, uh, whatever you call the male version of a starlet, um, come for assistance, uh, because, now this is getting a little touchy for the general audience, because they had anal warts. [00:37:43] Dr. Robert Malone: Anal warts are infectious and you don’t have to spend too much time with your imagination to figure out what kind of cohort we’re talking about here. Uh, let’s say the same one with monkey pox. We’ll just leave it at that. Uh, and these folks, you know, this is enormously painful and, uh, [00:38:00] irritating and it will interfere with your movie career. [00:38:02] Dr. Robert Malone: So the studios are behind, uh, fix this. And what Murray would do is he’d, he’d, he’d arrange with the surgeon and they would cut out these lesions. And they would grind them up with standard adjuvants, uh, which is to say preparations of fats and things that trigger inflammation, and re inject them back into these young men, and the lesion would disappear for some period of time. [00:38:27] Dr. Robert Malone: Usually it would come back. But that was what was done then for personalized cancer vaccines. And so what we’ve had is an evolution of a series of things. that are, you know, increasingly refined technologically. Um, there was a period of time when there was all kinds of excitement because there were veterinarians that were asserting that they had come up with melanoma vaccines. [00:38:49] Dr. Robert Malone: Uh, and melanoma is kind of different in the dog and the horse than it is in the humans. It’s more easily treated. It doesn’t kill you the same way. But, uh, this, you know, there’s all kinds of excitement [00:39:00] about this in a phase one trial that looked really encouraging. We were going to have um, customized melanoma vaccines. [00:39:05] Dr. Robert Malone: And then you got into phase two where there’s a little more rigorous and the population size is larger. And the air went out of the balloon. And this has been the story of the whole cancer vaccine field. There have been little fits and starts, uh, that have been encouraging, uh, but for the most part, and there has been some advances in cancer immunology. [00:39:27] Dr. Robert Malone: But, uh, you know, using artificial intelligence when the truth is that each of us have very unique immune systems, we have a lot of diversity in what’s called our major histocompatibility complex molecules. It’s the reason why infectious disease just doesn’t wipe out human beings is because human beings are fairly diverse immunologically. [00:39:52] Dr. Robert Malone: That’s a good thing. Just to further illustrate that to the extent that we all have Neanderthal DNA in our [00:40:00] genomes, a lot of that Neanderthal DNA, DNA comes from the European Neanderthals that had evolved to resist a lot of European infectious diseases and they had certain genetic profiles in their MHC molecules, their major histocompatibility complex molecules, that made them more resistant to those. [00:40:22] Dr. Robert Malone: Just like I’m talking about, we should build chickens that are more resistant to bird flu. And that, that legacy, genetic legacy was so powerful that we ended up with, say, the conquistadors, just to illustrate one example, the European conquerors coming into North and Latin America. And decimating, uh, the indigenous populations because they didn’t have those, uh, immune system legacy molecules. [00:40:53] Dr. Robert Malone: And so the Europeans would bring their European diseases and there was no genetic resistance and we just wiped out [00:41:00] huge amounts of Native Americans as a consequence. You know, was this intentional biowarfare back in the day? Sometimes it was. Uh, with things like infect smallpox infected blankets, but in other cases, it just kind of happened. [00:41:14] Dr. Robert Malone: Uh, and it illustrates the point. So humans are really diverse genetically immunologically and the idea that AI is going to come in there and solve, you know, genomics and all the other whiz bang techs have failed to do is just grossly naive. And it’s an oversell. Uh, and it was pitched to a naive recipient who clearly is susceptible to it. [00:41:38] Dr. Robert Malone: This kind of messaging around infectious disease, uh, you know, case study being operation warp speed and the jab, but it, it kind of, uh, illustrates this, you know, once again, we’re back in the world of propaganda and marketing and did Larry Ellison really come up with this because he is passionately.[00:42:00] [00:42:00] Dr. Robert Malone: focused on developing customized vaccines. Hell no. If he was, he would have done the diligence and talked to people in the field. They would have told him that what he’s pitching is so yesterday’s news as to be laughable. What he’s really doing is trying to justify a half billion, half trillion dollar investment in a massive artificial intelligence infrastructure, to get him to general AI so that he can live forever. [00:42:31] Dr. Robert Malone: That’s basically what’s going on. Wow. [00:42:34] Justin: Uh, I, uh, you know, I look at some of these things and uh, there’s nothing new under the sun is kind of my, my thought process when I’m here. [00:42:42] Dr. Robert Malone: Including grifting. Now there are things that AI could be useful for. Uh huh. Uh, in health. So what AI is really good with is crunching big data. [00:42:54] Dr. Robert Malone: And so just like Doge is going through and crunching big data on financial [00:43:00] transactions. Uh, A. I. Algorithms could be set loose on the various databases like the one of our best in North in the United States. One of our best health databases is the one that’s associated with the military services health system, which, by the way, isn’t just soldiers. [00:43:20] Dr. Robert Malone: It’s it’s their wives. It’s their Children and extends back up for the older ones into the V. A. So that database, because it’s not controlled by HIPAA in the same way, Uh, and they have all of these granular records that are all kept kind of in the same structure because it’s all DoD is more akin to the databases that exist for the socialized medicine countries like Scandinavian. [00:43:50] Dr. Robert Malone: Uh, and so if you were to set an AI tool loose on, for example, the military database, uh, you [00:44:00] would find out all kinds of associations. between, uh, behaviors, practices, environmental, uh, diet, et cetera. Uh, and frankly, you would discover things that you didn’t want to know, uh, like the CDC did when under congressional direction, they came up with a better version of the VAERS years ago. [00:44:22] Dr. Robert Malone: And suddenly when they beta tested it said, Oh, Darn. Um, uh, look at all these, uh, vaccine associated adverse events that we didn’t suspect were out there. Well, that’s contrary to our messaging about vaccines. Uh, and so what’d they do? Shot the messenger. They killed the program and never implemented it, even though they were congressionally mandated to, and we were left with VAERS. [00:44:48] Dr. Robert Malone: But that was by design and intention. That was not just a random artifact. [00:44:55] Justin: You know, the, the questions we’re getting about some of these things, [00:45:00] uh, you know, I’ll give you just a couple and we’ll, we’ll make this quick here for you. But, you know, uh, It is along the cancer treatment questions. It is questions about, um, ivermectin and some of the things that you just mentioned. [00:45:13] Justin: Uh, the truth and maybe the real answer for these problems have been right under our nose the whole time. Is that, uh, what, what you’re saying when you talk about some of these questions about the, you know, the, the, these moonshot ideas versus some things that are already working that we see people have evidence on? [00:45:35] Dr. Robert Malone: So I’m sorry, I was distracted during part of that by reading something in the chat, uh, from one of your commentators who is referring to Dr. Artis. Uh, asserting that I didn’t do what I did, uh, and all these patents behind me, uh, and in fact, Carrico and Weissman were the two. No, Carrico and Weissman did not get the Nobel Prize for inventing, uh, mRNA delivery and [00:46:00] mRNA vaccines. [00:46:01] Dr. Robert Malone: There’s no statement in their initial patents that have anything to do with vaccines. They got the Nobel Prize explicitly for their role in developing the COVID vaccine. Nothing to do with the base technology, and I’m sorry to burst your bubble, but Brian Artis is a chiropractor with no training in this field. [00:46:25] Dr. Robert Malone: He shoots his mouth off. His big criticism of me early on was I wasn’t sufficiently Christian, uh, and we’ve gone forth from that. So the snake venom story, etc. Brian Artis is, in my opinion, somebody who is seeking attention. And, uh, not a serious, uh, contributor to, uh, kind of discerning truth in this space. [00:46:47] Dr. Robert Malone: But, uh, can you restate your question? [00:46:50] Justin: Yeah, the, the, the question is, uh, about cancer treatment specifically. Um, and Ivermectin or some of the things that have come out, uh, you, [00:46:59] Dr. Robert Malone: you [00:47:00] mentioned That Paul Merrick has covered in his new book that was censored by Amazon and then put back up. In which he’s, uh, he’s become Merrick, who is arguably the most published intensive care academic in the world in history. [00:47:18] Dr. Robert Malone: Um, and, uh, um, came up with this protocol that involves intravenous vitamin C, intravascular vitamin C for treatment of toxic shock that can basically rescue people from death’s door. Uh, and, and when it’s used properly does. Uh, and who was a, uh, supporter of hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin and early treatment during COVID. [00:47:44] Dr. Robert Malone: Uh, and of course he got defamed and deplatformed and censored, blah, blah, blah, same as me. So he has become so disillusioned with academic medicine and peer review, quote unquote, literature that he’s concluded that he can’t, his whole, for him, it was [00:48:00] truly kind of an existential crisis. Uh, he realized that all of this. [00:48:05] Dr. Robert Malone: Information that he had built based his whole career on was, uh, biased and fraudulent. And, uh, so he set about on a major undertaking largely because he was so pissed off, uh, in disillusioned in looking at alternative medicine, what we now call integrative medicine, Chinese medicine, uh, and, and, uh, you know, botanical pharmacopeia and, uh, put together this volume focused on that, particularly in the context of cancer. [00:48:36] Dr. Robert Malone: And, uh, he has become, together with others, one of the proponents of the, uh, broad spectrum activity of ivermectin, particularly together with bendisol, uh, for a variety of cancers, particularly, uh, glandular cancers, breast, prostate, not so much the lymphatic cancers like chronic myelogenous leukemia. [00:49:00] So, uh, for anybody that really wants to dive into this world, I recommend that you look up Paul Merrick’s book. [00:49:07] Dr. Robert Malone: Uh, and consider buying it and, uh, don’t treat it as the gospel truth. Uh, absolutely. Find a. If you’re, if you’re somebody who’s questioning, uh, oncology, current practice that is basically involves blasting, uh, your body with highly toxic substances, which also kill off your immune system, which is what you need in order to overcome your cancer, uh, you know, think about looking at this and then finding an integrated medicine specialist, somebody experienced oncology, but with alternative treatment. [00:49:39] Dr. Robert Malone: Thank you. Uh, strategies if, if you don’t want to go down the, uh, currently accepted, uh, oncology protocol. [00:49:49] Justin: So a couple other quick questions and, and one I, I think, uh, would be about the policy you, you talked about make America healthy again, make America great [00:50:00] again. And these are great ideas and slogans and whatnot, but when it comes to policies and what we might see play out, particularly, uh, as RFK takes the reins here and, and, uh, And maybe some of the things that people are hoping to see come to come to pass. [00:50:18] Dr. Robert Malone: So I, I, after Bobby managed to squeak by the hearings and I think he gave up too much because he ended up 52, 48, he could have tolerated 51 or even 50, 50 and vice president breaking the tie, but he, he committed to various senators, including the Senator from Louisiana, uh, who’s an MD. Uh, that there were certain things that he wouldn’t do, uh, and questioning the advisory committee on immunization practices at the CDC was one of them. [00:50:47] Dr. Robert Malone: I, he kind of got hog tied a little bit on the whole vaccine story. And remember that Donald Trump is still [00:51:00] absolutely deeply embedded in the belief system that. His Operation Warp Speed and, uh, his mRNA vaccine saved millions of lives. So many people have told Donald Trump that this is true. And it’s something that he wants to believe that the voices that are saying, nah, not so much, uh, just get new traction with Donald Trump. [00:51:27] Dr. Robert Malone: Now, this may be changing. Uh, so I hear from the inside, but that’s the current status. So Bobby lands in a situation that in many ways is kind of hostile territory all up and down the food chain. Uh, and, um, he’s amazingly charismatic, uh, very persuasive, uh, experienced in the nefarious ways of pharma and pharma backstabbing. [00:51:52] Dr. Robert Malone: Uh, but he is not experienced in the nefarious ways of the deep state and the bureaucracy so much. Uh, and, [00:52:00] and while he was distracted with, uh, getting through confirmation. Uh, the Deep State managed to slip in some real, uh, not so, uh, aligned people like Jerry Parker, DVM, PhD, uh, Associate Dean for One Health, which is basically a World Health, or I mean, a United Nations program kind of akin to the Green Agenda, et cetera, who is now ostensibly, according to CBS News, the White House Director for Pandemic Preparedness and Policy. [00:52:35] Dr. Robert Malone: And I can tell you from personal communication that Bobby not only didn’t know who Jerry Parker was after he was confirmed, he didn’t even know there was a White House Office of Pandemic Planning and Policy, which is outside of HHS. So, uh, Bobby has got, uh, an issue, uh, with, uh, all kinds of, uh, you know, surreptitious, nefarious activity from the deep state and the bureaucracy in [00:53:00] general, uh, but on the positive side, he has a clear unequivocal mandate from Donald Trump for two main things, one, one, if you want to understand that mandate, I recommend that you look at the executive order in the creation of the, uh, Maha Coalition, which is a pan governmental, uh, organization, includes top leadership from a, a variety of agencies across the government, including Treasury, uh, and, uh, and in that executive Uh, Trump laid down, uh, certain directives I’ll talk about in a moment in general, Bobby and, uh, his, uh, colleagues that broadly we could call the Maha leadership in the government. [00:53:50] Dr. Robert Malone: People like Jay Bhattacharya have been given a mandate by the president to show measurable improvements in the health of American citizens within 12 to 18 months. [00:54:00] That is a huge lift. Uh, nothing like that has ever existed before in terms of a presidential directive. Uh, and, um, he’s going to need all our help to get there and the things that you can do, particularly, uh, the listener. [00:54:16] Dr. Robert Malone: is do your best to drop some weight. I’ve dropped 50 pounds over the last two years. You can do it too. Uh, and that will improve your health and your energy and all kinds of things. Uh, your risk, uh, for heart disease and diabetes and so many other things. There’s many things we can do to help Bobby. He’s going to need all the help he can get. [00:54:37] Dr. Robert Malone: Uh, but, uh, um, if we kind of dial back to the executive order, what it lays out is a focus on chronic diseases and explicitly It directs, uh, MAHA and this MAHA commission to focus on children’s health and [00:55:00] children’s chronic disease. And explicitly within that is autism, a topic that, uh, Donald Trump sincerely cares about. [00:55:08] Dr. Robert Malone: And other chronic diseases, the epidemic of chronic disease and obesity in children in particular. And also the over medication of children, uh, using a variety of agents that basically, uh, collectively act to, uh, uh, [00:55:30] Dr. Robert Malone: basically drive our particularly young men, young males into a state of, uh, you know, uh, submissive haze. Uh, where they will no longer be hyperactive, uh, in, in no longer being questioning authority and no longer be acting out. They’ll just be drugged and, uh, pliable in our public school systems. Uh, and, [00:56:00] and so I think we can expect to see movement, uh, particularly as it relates to children’s health. [00:56:06] Dr. Robert Malone: And that is the authorization that is now allowing, uh, uh, Robert F. Kennedy and, and those aligned with him. To begin moving through, uh, these issues like the vaccine event, adverse event reporting system, the CDC, the FDA, the NIH, and in particular, uh, the mission it’s that Bobby’s laid out through Maha is to refocus the federal bureaucracy and federal R and D enterprise health related R and D enterprise towards health promotion. [00:56:41] Dr. Robert Malone: As opposed to disease treatment. That sounds like a small shift to some people. It’s a huge shift in terms of the bureaucracy because all of these organizations are the technical term is siloed. They are all very much siloed around specific diseases. [00:57:00] And so there’s basically thought leaders and administrators and a whole ecosystem around each of these diseases and they don’t really coordinate. [00:57:11] Dr. Robert Malone: So if you have diseases like obesity that cut across, um, and explain a lot of underlying nuanced diseases, specific diseases that are silos, those silos don’t cooperate very well with each other. And the real problem is obesity, uh, in that example. So. I think you can expect to see, uh, Bobby focusing and, and the people surrounding him and his team, uh, and his chief of staff, et cetera, focusing on, uh, reorienting the bureaucracy towards health promotion by doing things like, uh, eliminating known toxins in our food supply. [00:57:48] Dr. Robert Malone: The risk with Maha, which remember Maha comes from the left, Bobby is a self professed Kennedy Democrat, which is to say pre Carter, pre Reagan, New Deal [00:58:00] Democrat of the 60s. And, and if you, you know, as I was there in Boston when he did his kickoff for his presidential campaign. He’s all in on a lot of those old great society programs. [00:58:10] Dr. Robert Malone: Still, it’s as if, uh, Ronald Reagan never happened. So Ma comes from that angle kind of from the left. But as I laying out of today’s essay, he’s kind of transitioned through a series of events. He’s been rejected by the left, rejected by the Democrat Party and found a home in the new center, right? Uh, and I’m guilty of having kind of facilitated in some way him finding that home. [00:58:38] Dr. Robert Malone: Like I, okay. It was the one that first got him on CPAC, uh, at a big donor’s conference in, in Las Vegas that Matt Schlapp took all kinds of grief for inviting Bobby to that, enabled that, but it turns out to have been pressure. Uh, um, and so Bobby’s found a new home, but his, you know, you can’t rewire [00:59:00] somebody completely. [00:59:01] Dr. Robert Malone: Uh, and I think the risk with Maha is that it will, it can easily veer into nanny state. And I illustrate this like I did in my brief talk at CPAC last week. If you’ll follow me on this and read between the lines. If someone wants to eat McDonald’s hamburgers and drink Coca Cola’s, it’s their right to do so. [00:59:32] Dr. Robert Malone: If somebody wants to smoke cigars, I think they should be allowed to smoke cigars. We shouldn’t have the federal government telling them whether or not they can smoke cigars or eat McDonald’s hamburgers. I think it’s appropriate that the federal government would, uh, Yeah, right. . Yeah. You get the point. [00:59:50] Dr. Robert Malone: Yeah. Uh, that would never come out of Bobby’s mouth. He’s way more astute than that . But the meme on the screen says, email me. The [01:00:00] capture is an underlying truth. Right? Yeah. Which is there is a risk that Maha veers towards, uh, some kind of health totalitarianism. Uh, and if I have a role in that world in the future, uh, and it’s possible I might, I don’t mean to be coy, but the truth is, I don’t know. [01:00:21] Dr. Robert Malone: People say things and, uh, they usually don’t come to pass. Uh, so I’m not counting any chickens, but if I was to have a role, I, I think the role I can best play is to constantly remind people of fundamental libertarian principles. And, uh, the constitution and that it’s not the proper role of federal government to tell us, uh, um, how to cook our eggs and whether or not we can use gas stoves, uh, you get the point. [01:00:49] Dr. Robert Malone: Uh, and, and so I think that Maha needs to rein in some of that tendency and, and there’s some real fundamental tensions [01:01:00] as you work through that as there are with, with mega. Uh, in this tension between, uh, America centric, no longer being an imperial state and yet being expansionist when talking about Canada and Greenland and eventually potentially Mexico. [01:01:15] Dr. Robert Malone: Uh, right. And this, there’s this things are don’t live in the same world. Uh, the Doge initiative, which is all about deregulation and, uh, financial, uh, deregulation particular, uh, doesn’t live in the same space as Maha, which has some intrinsic drivers towards more regulation, you know, uh, Operation Warp Speed was all about throwing out the rule book or regulatory affairs and streamlining things. [01:01:44] Dr. Robert Malone: Uh, in, in Bobby’s world is all about. Well, we actually needed that stuff and I’m with him on that. Uh, there was good reason to have a regulatory oversight because pharma is, you know, nefariously wicked. Not to, not to pick [01:02:00] on anybody, uh, but you know, I’m capturing a broad set of general issues with a short phrase, uh, and so, uh, there are these boundaries, like for instance, is it okay that virtually all of our grain and soybeans are contaminated with Roundup right now? [01:02:22] Justin: Yeah. [01:02:23] Dr. Robert Malone: Because there’s good data that Roundup is associated with, wait for it, obesity and autism. Roundup exposure in utero. Over the last 10 years, there’s been this practice developed, uh, in which, uh, you use Roundup as a desiccant. To kill off stems of the crop, whatever it is, uh, that you’re going to harvest so that the, the seed product, whether it’s wheat or corn or [01:03:00] barley or, uh, [01:03:05] Dr. Robert Malone: soybeans. So the product dries out uniformly. Why is that important as opposed to the old days where you just kind of waited for the weather and the sun came out and. And, uh, you, you know, and you didn’t get a lot of rain. And so the plant would dry out and, and then the corn or the weed or whatever would mature and you would harvest it. [01:03:25] Dr. Robert Malone: The driver behind that is that the cost of combines has gone through the roof. They now use these mega combines. And of course, we now have mega farms. We no longer have small farms that are all owned by Wall Street players. Black Rock, State Street and Bill Gates. Um, what could go wrong? And, uh, so, uh, in that world of mega farms, uh, in mega experience, expensive combines and harvesters. [01:03:56] Dr. Robert Malone: Uh, what’s done is you basically have [01:04:00] specialty operations headed up by crews that move from farm, large farm to large farm with their hyper expensive equipment and do the harvesting. Well, you can’t schedule that unless you can say beforehand, yeah, our crop will be mature and dry on August 28th. You can come through. [01:04:19] Dr. Robert Malone: How are you going to do that? Well, you got to use a desiccant. Okay. Okay. So that kind of the finances and everything else and big ag. and all that have conspired to put us in this position, which, by the way, Europe bans glyphosate contamination. Canada doesn’t. And so, uh, we end up with Roundup being sprayed on our food crops. [01:04:42] Dr. Robert Malone: Kind of at the last minute and then it all gets harvested. Well, where does it end up? It ends up in your Quaker oats and in your cereal. And yeah, cheerios and your pasta and everything else, uh, you know, that you have for breakfast, your toast, uh, in [01:05:00] and, uh, that that’s got to stop. So that’s a proper role. [01:05:03] Dr. Robert Malone: It seems for government. to say, no, that’s not okay, but it’s a slippery slope if that’s not okay and driving around without seatbelts isn’t okay, uh, and, uh, you smoking, uh, cigarettes or vaping is not okay because you’re going to be a burden on the healthcare system and therefore you’re going to be stealing money from your neighbor, uh, through their tax dollars. [01:05:30] Dr. Robert Malone: Uh, et cetera, et cetera. Then, then we can quickly justify a nanny state. Uh, Maha, um, uh, uh, heavy hand. And so I think personally that Maha and mega along the lines of populist movements historically have a real problem in the United States and worldwide in translating their policy, their, their [01:06:00] populist angst issues. [01:06:03] Dr. Robert Malone: Into sustainable policy, I think we need to have a conversation about where the boundaries are, what, you know, in a world that’s more aligned with libertarian principles and, uh, anarcho capitalism as Javier Mele practices it, which is kind of like now revolutionizing the world, uh, and, you know, and, and Elon and with his chainsaw and everything else, Uh, and Donald Trump, I think Donald Trump very much looks to, uh, Javier Millie as a, as a model for what can be done in turning the government around. [01:06:38] Dr. Robert Malone: Uh, but as you know, as we, if we are now to live in a world or, or within Maha and Mega to advance. A more libertarian, small government frame of reference, I think we’ve got some real tough choices to make [01:07:00] about what is the proper role of government in in maintaining imperial state globally and projecting soft power globally. [01:07:09] Dr. Robert Malone: I think we’ve got some hard questions there and we’ve got some real hard questions about where the boundaries are in in making Americans healthy. I think we have to do it through leadership and I think we Bobby is the perfect choice to lead the bully pulpit to advance healthcare. I, I wrote another essay about this in which I was talking about methylene blue, which Bobby uses. [01:07:31] Dr. Robert Malone: Um, and that people that are using methylene blue and all kinds of other stuff, uh, are functionally biohackers. And, and I, I, I love this little tagline we have now for the first time, a secretary of HHS, who’s both a bodybuilder and a biohacker. Now that is a, a whole new world. Uh, so many things are possible. [01:07:54] Dr. Robert Malone: It’s a new reality. I don’t mean to be all down in the mouth, but I do think we need to take the [01:08:00] time to think through where the boundaries are. [01:08:03] Justin: Mm hmm. No, I agree. And it’s a very good point because while we want to see all of these things come to pass and we desperately really need folks to be healthy to sustain what we’re doing here in this country and where we want to go, how we get there is equally as important, whether or not [01:08:25] Dr. Robert Malone: it’s sustainable. [01:08:26] Dr. Robert Malone: Yeah, I mean, we, we don’t, so all these executive orders are great. It’s amazing time to be living. Uh, Donald Trump is probably one of the most transformational pro presidents in history. Uh, uh, certainly, uh, uh, at least since Teddy Roosevelt. But, uh, it can all be reversed, uh, if there’s a backlash at the midterm That’s right. [01:08:50] Dr. Robert Malone: Or, uh, in the next presidential election. [01:08:54] Justin: Uh, fascinating conversation. I, I just love it. And I thank you for giving us the time today, doctor. I know you [01:09:00] got lots of things you got to get done as well, and we’ll have you back and we’ll continue these conversations if you’re still able to come back or if you, uh, yeah, who knows what role [01:09:09] Dr. Robert Malone: that’s mixed. [01:09:10] Dr. Robert Malone: Uh, that would be a mixed blessing, uh, gaining my freedom to speak. Uh, whether it’s on Substack or in podcasts is important. [01:09:20] Justin: We’ve seen a lot of, uh, a lot of that lately as folks are giving up, uh, big businesses, uh, salaries and even that to, to go and serve. And we just, uh, we’re glad to see that’s, that’s happening. [01:09:31] Justin: But if people want to, in the meantime, Substack, a great place, you mentioned a couple of times today and the book that’s out as well, where can folks find them and make sure that they stay in touch? [01:09:43] Dr. Robert Malone: So the, the politically correct way I’m supposed to say about the book is it’s available at all booksellers, uh, and, uh, you know, and of course the subtext is there are almost no booksellers left except for Amazon. [01:09:57] Dr. Robert Malone: Uh, so there’s that, uh, [01:10:00] and the only place that you can get the audio book, which many people like, and by the way, it’s a little more accurate because when I personally recorded the audio book, I caught the typos that were in the text that are in the, in the printed version. And so the audio book is actually a little more precise and correct and it’s easier to assimilate. [01:10:18] Dr. Robert Malone: You can just flip it on when you’re doing chores with your earbuds or, or commuting or whatever your particular thing is while you’re fishing or whatever it is. Um, uh, so that’s Cywar. And, uh. Um, it is at a discount, I think still in Amazon, but it’s less of a discount than it used to be. Uh, a sub stack. Uh, we now have renamed it Malone dot news, uh, as opposed to who is Robert Malone, which was a reference to who is john Galt. [01:10:49] Dr. Robert Malone: If any of you are Iran fans. Uh, and uh, so because I kind of live in Galt’s Gulch here in this red county and in this part [01:11:00] of Virginia. Uh, so, uh, you could go. Who is Robert Malone on sub stack or you could go Malone dot news and you’ll pull him up. Subscriptions are free. But if you want to participate in the chat, you got to pay five bucks a month. [01:11:17] Dr. Robert Malone: Sorry about that. But I do have to make a living. And we put these out daily and frankly, the ones that probably, uh, pay for a horse feed and everything else in my life are the Friday funnies and the Sunday strip that are aggregates of memes that everybody loves. [01:11:36] Justin: I love it. Well, keep up the great work. We appreciate you taking the time and uh, good luck in the future no matter what it brings. [01:11:43] Dr. Robert Malone: Thanks. Thanks for having me on. [01:11:44] Justin: You got it. My pleasure. Dr. Dr. Robert Malone.
