Breaking Insights: Real-Time Updates on the Ongoing Israel-Hamas Conflict
In this episode, host Justin Barclay and guest Uri Goldflam discuss real-time updates on the Israel-Hamas conflict, including the horrific events of October 7th, the geopolitical implications, and the ideological roots behind the violence.
They explore the broader implications for Western civilization and the role of historical and religious contexts.
Uri details the four essential steps needed for resolving the conflict and emphasizes the importance of understanding the deep-seated anti-Semitism that fuels much of the opposition to Israel.
Additionally, Uri offers insights into the cultural and educational aspects of the region, while Justin encourages listeners to seek truth and stay informed. The episode concludes with information on how to connect with Uri and an announcement about Justin’s new partnership with Gold Co. for financial preparedness.
00:00 Welcome to the Show: Breaking News and Insights
00:23 Deep Dive into the Israel-Palestine Conflict
02:01 Horrific Events and Global Reactions
03:17 Understanding the Conflict’s Broader Implications
05:56 Exploring Israel’s Unique Place in the World
10:36 The Historical and Ideological Battle Against Israel
19:40 Strategies for Resolution and Peace
25:38 Connecting with Uri Goldflam: Insights and Resources
27:01 Final Thoughts and How to Stay Informed
27:47 Announcement: Preparing for Uncertain Times
Uri Goldflam
[00:00:00] Justin: It’s going to be a heck of a ride. It’s like drinking from a fire hose, never a dull moment, but yes, you’ll hear the stories you won’t hear anywhere else, and we appreciate you being here with us for them today. I’m Justin Barclay. [00:00:17] Justin: Welcome in and today’s show is, is actually happening in real time as we’re recording this. It’s probably very rarely do these podcasts where there’s such breaking news like there is today, and we’ve got a couple of Uh, major and this has been, um, ongoing and, uh, you know, it goes back thousands of years, but literally the, uh, the latest on this story goes back to October 7th updates on what is happening in Israel. [00:00:44] Justin: And of course, uh, with the fight that continues against the, the terrorist who attacked, uh, on October 7th, horrific attacks and, uh, What’s I think most interesting to watch is as we’re still seeing a big breaking news today. There’s a there’s a court you [00:01:00] in court out of The Netherlands the egg that that’s come with with the latest ruling that that it really has you scratching your head There are folks in handful of countries in Europe that have decided they want to recognize Palestine, of course, uh, there are a couple of major events and more folks, uh, victims of these horrific, uh, attacks on the seventh hostages and bodies that were discovered as well. [00:01:27] Justin: Uri Goldflam joins us now with updates on this, and I appreciate you taking the time, Uri, to talk about this. Thank you very much for having me. I think you’re going to have a depth of understanding of knowledge on this that maybe a lot of us don’t. We’re following along, we’re watching the headlines, we’re seeing the latest, and as I said, it’s like drinking from a firehose any other day when it comes to the stories that we’re watching. [00:01:47] Justin: But this particular story, because there’s so much that is at play here. There’s so much that ties into what we’re seeing happening, not just here in our own country, but throughout the world. And it is something that we ought to watch very closely. [00:02:00] So let’s just start with that. Um, one of the things I just reminded as I go back and talk about what happened on October 7th is how horrific and I haven’t even seen some of the detailed videos and recordings of Things that people that I know have gotten a chance to witness and how horrific they are. [00:02:18] Justin: But the things that we did see in mainstream media, um, some of these women attacked, uh, the, the, uh, rave the festival there, uh, where folks were attacked, uh, gunned down. Uh, people were taken hospital, the women that were raped and, and, and just absolutely, um, unthinkable. And yet here we are. That wasn’t very long ago, but here we are months later. [00:02:41] Justin: And it seems like, uh, at least from the perspective of some that are following mainstream media and even the mainstream media, it’s very much separated from that moment. And and for have forgotten about this. How is that even possible? [00:03:00] [00:03:01] Uri: Well, that’s a good question. I think that one of the characteristics of this conflict is that there’s complete Separation between what’s happening on the ground and what’s happening in people’s heads or in people’s living rooms as they watch tv Um, I think that the answer is also in the body of your question. [00:03:17] Uri: What we’re looking at now is a conflict. Everybody’s focused on Israel and Gaza, but this is a much bigger conflict. Yeah, this is a war. The outcome of this war will determine the future of Western civilization. No less. I’m not being alarmist or exaggerating. This is a war. that will determine how our Children and grandchildren will live in this world. [00:03:40] Uri: Um, and I think that’s something that’s very scary for people to Uh, to take in the idea that, that it’s okay to think about a war this far away. But if you’re thinking about that new world war that is coming, a new stage is being set in the globe, that’s a scary thought. And so people are more comfortable [00:04:00] thinking about this as it’s something that’s far away. [00:04:02] Uri: Rather than something that’s, that’s much closer seeing unfold right now is, is really, uh, it’s such a farce, as you mentioned, also in the body of your question, the realities of october 7th, the atrocities have taken place. Two videos were released just in the last few days. One of the, uh, one of five girls, Uh, five girls who were young women, a 1920 year old who were abducted from military base. [00:04:26] Uri: They’re still in civilian clothing, they’re not even wearing uniform. They weren’t fighting at the time. They’re, they’re all bloodied. It’s clear that they’ve been assaulted. It’s clear later also that they’ve been, they’ve been sexually assaulted and they’re being still being held there. And it’s, it’s quite shocking to see this, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, The, the, the, the, the evil that is coming out from, from these pictures. [00:04:47] Uri: Another video that was recently released just two days ago is an interrogation of, um, a terrorist that was captured in Gaza, who testified in his [00:05:00] interview, how he and his father. were raping women. And then, and his uncle as well joined in and then his father killed the women that they raped. Uh, this is the kind of culture. [00:05:14] Uri: This is the kind of ideas, this is the evil that we are facing. And it seems that the world refuses to look into the center into the heart of this evil because It is actually really scary. It’s much easier to blame Israel, who seems to be always the stronger side and in the, within the paradigm of the oppressor oppressed, Israel’s the bad guy, and so, uh, much easier default to go to But the realities are much more complicated. [00:05:44] Justin: Uri, go flam with this right now and, uh, Uri, maybe you could share because I know you, you have, uh, deep knowledge, uh, of this conflict, but also of the area. And of course, part of what you do, uh, is, is [00:06:00] take people, uh, along and, and show them, uh, this, this, uh, this, this area to, to, to give them, like, probably once in a lifetime experience for a lot of folks, I would imagine. [00:06:13] Uri: Yeah, um, Israel is a place that you visit, uh, you come back to, um, for many people who visit Israel, uh, it touches the heartstrings of, uh, um, of some of the most, uh, deep and thoughtful, uh, ideas, uh, the upbringing, whether they’re religious or not, uh, it’s, uh, you can, you can’t really stay indifferent. To what’s happening in Israel is the reason that this takes up so much focus of the world’s attention. [00:06:42] Uri: And when you think about it, the conflict right now, even though despite what they say on the mainstream media, this is not the biggest conflict in the world. Not by size, not by a number of casualties. There are other conflicts going on right now. Real genocide, real hunger, real starvation, [00:07:00] uh, in Nigeria, in Sudan, in, in China, with the Uyghurs, there are real wars and, and numbers of casualties that, uh, defy, defy really, uh, imagination yet the world focuses on Israel. [00:07:14] Uri: The answer is also. in some of the things that I talk about when people come to visit. Um, it’s much, uh, is, is a center of our civilization, really. It’s the, the book that gave us the gifts that make our lives the way they are. This is your own Christian value system, which is anchored and rooted in the ground in the land of Israel. [00:07:38] Uri: And when you travel through Israel, the Bible really becomes comes alive and you start to really connect to some of those, um. Uh, the history, the heritage and the values that, uh, drove our civilization. And that’s what’s at stake today as well. [00:07:53] Justin: Yeah, I, I think it’s so many people are kind of called to, to go on trips and I’ve not had a chance to [00:08:00] do that yet, but, um, I’ve had a lot of friends and, uh, you know, that have gone, that have told me about their experiences and it is, uh, not just a once in a lifetime experience, but they’ve gone back, uh, over and over again. [00:08:13] Justin: There is something about it that really. gives them, I guess, because of the spiritual nature of it all, you know, sort of the, uh, they feel that tie there and they just experience, for folks of faith, the Bible comes to life when you’re able to actually walk in those places that you’re reading about. [00:08:29] Justin: That’s right. That’s got to be something that’s just, uh, just a wow experience for folks. [00:08:35] Uri: Israel is the crossroads of the ancient world, right? To go anywhere to anywhere from anywhere, you have to go through Israel. Uh, it’s not a coincidence that it’s from Israel that all these ideas sprung forward to the rest of the world. [00:08:46] Uri: Uh, and so to, to walk in those paths and see the landscape, I call it, uh, the fifth gospel, right? If you, if you learn the fifth gospel, the four will up, will open up to you. And so, uh, it’s, uh, it really is, uh, not [00:09:00] only An important geopolitical journey to learn about what’s going on in the world, but it’s also a very important faith experience. [00:09:08] Justin: I think to understand everything that we’re seeing today, you kind of have to look at it through that lens and to understand that what, what, what is at stake, it’s, it’s wild. And maybe you can help me walk through some of this, but as, as we, we, you know, we read about some of the things I’ve, I’ve learned, uh, recently too, um, That in the Bible, the land set aside, uh, for God’s people in, in the, the, the, the description of what it is is actually much larger than the, the area that, that, that is Israel today in the nation that is Israel. [00:09:42] Justin: There’s lots of, uh, a land part of that’s not even, uh, in this, uh, set aside in this. So we talk about what’s happening now with, with, uh, with Gaza and with, with Palestine and in that area, uh, people don’t really, maybe necessarily understand the full picture of it, the history. And I think that also [00:10:00] kind of leads to this, this weird place that we find ourselves, particularly I’ve watched with, The, the conversation on college campuses, it tends to be a Marxist ideology of oppressed versus oppressor, that they’re seeing the world through that lens. [00:10:14] Justin: And so they see Israel as the oppressor, and they see these other folks as the oppressed. They completely missed the history of oppression. The, the people of Israel being oppressed through all of these years. So they’re missing a lot of this history. [00:10:30] Uri: Yeah, it seems, it seems that today, um, uh, Ivy league education only gets you so far. [00:10:36] Uri: Uh, the, uh, uh, the, the, the idea that Israel is part of it. When you look at the world through this prism. Uh, through the oppressor oppressed and the intersectionality of the oppressed. Uh, then Israel is placed in the oppressor class. It’s completely, um, wrong. It’s a false way of looking at the world. The world is much more complicated than [00:11:00] that. [00:11:00] Uri: And there are many lies. Uh, this is one of the, maybe the biggest lies that are told about Israel. Uh, but there are three, you know, the three big lies, you know, genocide, apartheid, colonialism. Uh, these are all the great evils. That are blamed on the West and Israel has seen has been taught for decades. It didn’t start in October 7th. [00:11:19] Uri: It exploded on October 7th because for decades, Israel has been taught in these universities, in these places that are supposedly, uh, places of, of learning and exchange of free ideas, but students have been in generations of students have been indoctrinated with the idea that Israel represents all the evils. [00:11:41] Uri: Of Western civilization. It is the last bastion of colonialism of oppression, uh, and even white supremacy when the truth is couldn’t, couldn’t give further for the truth, but it shouldn’t surprise us because Israel became the Jew among the nations. Anti semitism, the hatred of Jews, [00:12:00] has always been the opposite of whatever a society holds dear. [00:12:05] Uri: Throughout the generations, in every society, in every civilization, the hatred of Jews from the very, very beginning is the very opposite of whatever is the most important to any given society. I’ll say it in other words, whatever you hate the most, you’ll pin on the Jews. And that’s true from the moment the tribes of Israel show up on the stage of history. [00:12:26] Uri: They show up and tell the pagan world, you’re wrong. Your gods are false and you’re morally corrupt. And you know, who doesn’t like to hear the morally corrupt? The morally corrupt, right? And so from the moment they show up, there’s a civilizational other. And then they reject the pagan world. They reject Hellenism. [00:12:44] Uri: They reject the Roman culture. The Romans thought the Jews were, were lazy and immoral for not participating in their rights. They reject Christianity. And so the early church, uh, apply replacement theology to humiliate the Jews, to subjugate the Jews, to [00:13:00] keep the Jews marginalized and vilify them as proof that the church has ascended to the synagogue. [00:13:05] Uri: And it’s this ideas that led to Auschwitz. When Europe becomes a nation, a nationalism, nation states replace the empires, uh, Jews become the, uh, the, the, the usurpers, the, uh, uh, the traders, the, uh, uh, fifth column, the Judas, the accused of dual loyalties in a world of capitalism, the Jews is the communist in the world of communism, the Jews, the capitalist in the world of racial purity, the Jew is the ultimate impurity. [00:13:36] Uri: He’s considered the, uh, uh, the vermin, the virus, the scrooge of humanity that has shape shifting ability. So wherever society holds dear for the anti Semites, the Jew will be the opposite. And you see it unfolding today. Jews are hated from the radical right, the white supremacists who think that the Jews are trying to replace them, and from the radical left, [00:14:00] the progressives and the, uh, and the, uh, radical, uh, um, Islamists for whom the Jews are uber whites who are using the white privileges and, uh, are oppressors and colonialists. [00:14:12] Uri: So it really fits into the grand narrative, but if you look at it from a very, uh, narrow angle, it really defies logic. It’s not the first time the Jews have been set aside. It’s not the first time Jews have been vilified against all logic. And we’re seeing it manifesting here. [00:14:32] Justin: The story today is breaking news, right? [00:14:35] Justin: As we’re about to have this conversation that came across the wire, but top UN court, they’re ordering Israel to halt military offensive in Rafa. And I, the next part, Israel is unlikely to comply with. I just, I just saw this jump through. I thought, uh, I don’t think that. Anyone is going to, uh, stop what, what is, is planned next as far as, uh, moving forward. [00:14:59] Justin: And [00:15:00] I, maybe you can help us understand, you know, when we talk about what’s happened with Hamas and the terror organizations, uh, that, that are responsible for everything that’s, that’s happened and, and, and not just, uh, the sevens, but even further back and what’s happening now. Part of the reason why we’re seeing such a, a. [00:15:18] Justin: A response a strong response is is because the idea is to wipe this organization out and stop this from happening further because it’s not just Jews and in israel that are targeted by this This organization but it’s it’s folks in gaza that are targeted by this this operation as well I mean, you’ve got lots of folks who christians folks who are innocent that are that are targeted. [00:15:42] Justin: I mean, they they they’re notorious for for taking hospitals and schools and places like this and making them the center of their operations so that they could hide, uh, in the shadows there and do those things behind the scenes. But they’re also notorious from we’ve seen videos lately of them hijacking UN [00:16:00] shipments of food and things like that. [00:16:02] Justin: Um, right. Yeah. This is, this is par for the course here. Um, so what is the importance, I guess, of moving forward and, and wiping this, this faction, this terrorist faction out, not people, but criminals, people that have done, uh, the responsible for, for, for all these atrocities. [00:16:19] Uri: So for, for, for Israel, the prosecuting this war until its conclusion in, in rooting out Hamas’s ability to rule Gaza, because that’s what we mean. [00:16:29] Uri: When we mean, uh, destroy Hamas, we mean, um, preventing them from ever taking power again. There will be people who still believe in that ideology, but they won’t be able to execute it. There will be not, they’ll all have the capability, uh, or the ability to, to control Gaza. And you’re right. They’re also oppressed the Palestinians. [00:16:49] Uri: Ironically, those who are standing now on college campuses and shouting pro Hamas slogans are not doing any favors to Palestinians. If you really want to be pro Palestinian, you need to be standing with [00:17:00] Israel to get rid of Hamas. The court decision that you mentioned earlier is a complete political farce. [00:17:06] Uri: I mean, on its own, on the merits, they use the claim that the incursion into Rafah has cost dearly, has cost too many casualties. The facts don’t support this. Even the UN itself, the numbers that they provide show that the number of casualties are actually lower than in any time previously in the war. [00:17:27] Uri: And the casualties that did, uh, get counted are actually from the North part of Gaza and not from Rafa. So it’s really, it’s really political theater. There’s nothing, there’s nothing really there that matches reality. The only way to bring a swift end to the war and a swift end to suffering is to complete the war and its efforts to, uh, get rid of Hamas. [00:17:52] Uri: There are other ways to provide humanitarian aid. Israel’s flooding Gaza with humanitarian aid and [00:18:00] Gaza is also adjacent to Egypt. Nobody’s talking about Egypt. Egypt has given a pass. Egypt is completely, completely, uh, uh, let off the hook for allowing Palestinian refugees to find refuge with unlimited aid, unlimited health, unlimited security, unlimited food and water. [00:18:18] Uri: Just across the border, it would have been very easy. This war could have been over months ago if the world had not held Israel back. This is not about helping the Palestinian. That’s about stopping Israel. And that’s, I think, one of the main things that are coming out of this, uh, of the, of the farce that we’re seeing unfold in front of our eyes. [00:18:37] Justin: How do you think this is, Enns? I, I, you know, one of the things that I found interesting about was the, the, uh, Red Heifer, uh, prophecies and things that could just come out recently about the reason why Hamas moved forward is that, and for anybody that doesn’t understand this, is a, um, Uh, there’s a red heifer that is important [00:19:00] and, uh, needs to be spotless, blameless, etc. [00:19:02] Justin: to, to, uh, rebuild the, the third temple, etc. And, uh, it’s, it’s biblical stuff that maybe you don’t necessarily grasp in or even understand or agree with. Yet the, the interesting thing is that it’s come out of Hamas. This is the reason why They say, in some ways, that they have moved forward with this, is they don’t want this next step to happen. [00:19:22] Justin: So, I, I look at that and I think to myself, this is certainly a biblical angle and part of this, but, but also as you’re watching it, whether, it doesn’t matter what I believe or anyone else is like, if they believe it, that’s, That’s part of it. How does this come to a resolution? How does it come to an end here as we’re watching all these things? [00:19:40] Uri: So, uh, the, uh, from a geopolitical perspective, the resolution, um, the four, four things must happen for this to end. But before I get to that, um, just want to address to your point, Hamas pulled the trigger on October 7th, um, because there was a, again, there’s a greater game of foot. [00:20:00] Right. There’s a much bigger, there’s a bigger picture, which often is being missed. [00:20:04] Uri: Um, and geopolitically, I’m not even talking about, uh, spiritually. Israel was about to engage or Saudi Arabia was about to engage Israel with the Abraham Accords. The Abraham Accords are a game changing event in the Middle East. For the first time, uh, Arab countries with Israel got together under Abrahamic family. [00:20:25] Uri: To create coexistence and cooperate and cooperate together, not in the basis of land for peace or any of the, of the other transactional. Um, and negotiations, but on the basis of shared familial and, and, and indigenousness to the land, if Saudi Arabia would have joined the Abraham Accords, it would have pulled the rug from 40 years of Iranian attempt to destabilize the Middle East. [00:20:53] Uri: Iran want to get rid of Israel because they hate Israel, but also because Israel’s in the way. And [00:21:00] getting rid of Israel would have given them a huge support from the entire Muslim and Arab world to go to their main events. Israel’s just the appetizer. The main course is the United States of America. [00:21:14] Uri: That’s their real goal. They want to revolution, export their revolution to the entire world. And America is the big prize from their perspective, the big devil. And if Saudi Arabia would have gotten on the bandwagon of the Abraham accords, it would have pulled the rug from under their 40 years attempt to do so, which is why, which is why we’ve seen this event happening right now. [00:21:39] Uri: You could also argue, as you said, that the coming together of the Abrahamic families is part of a greater design. Even a spiritual design as part of God’s plan for the region. And and Hamas is trying to fight that their belief system. [00:22:00] Their ideology, radical Islam, jihadism, um, requires the eradication of all the infidels, the killing of all the Jews and getting to heaven as martyrs. [00:22:10] Uri: This is what they believe. Uh, and I believe that we should give them at least the respect of taking them at their word. To end this, this, uh, event, we need four things that need to happen, and we’ve done this before. It’s not the first time this is happening. The first thing that has to happen is a, is a decisive victory. [00:22:28] Uri: Like we have to win. Which means that win with no, no ifs, ands, or buts. We have to win this war. No, nobody in 1942 was talking about maybe not killing all the Nazis. Maybe, maybe let’s, uh, let Hitler, uh, keep going a little bit because we don’t want to raise another generation of Germans who will hate us, right? [00:22:50] Uri: So that, that, I mean, that kind of thinking is defeatism. It’s appeasement and it never works with the bully. When a bully stands up, you punch him in the nose. [00:23:00] And the West has to have the fortitude. And the, and the backbone to stand up to the world’s bullies, tyrants, the, the despots, the oppressors, the, the dictators who are pressing their own people, subjugating women, subjugating and oppressing religious and ethnic minorities. [00:23:17] Uri: These are the people that we’re fighting. It’s not about Israel and Gaza. It is a much bigger game of foot. So we have to win. That’s number one. The second thing, just like Germany and Japan for a short period of time after the war, there was a time of occupation. The allied forces occupied Germany. And during that time, they held the Nuremberg trials. [00:23:38] Uri: They put Nazis on trial and killed them. They, um, they, they started a process. And this is the key point of denazification. De radicalization must be part of any future solution, both in Gaza and the West Bank. Which means we have to change the way they educate their children about Jews, about the world, and about the [00:24:00] conflict. [00:24:01] Uri: Not we. We’re not the ones that can do this. It’s something that has to come from within a coalition of local Palestinians, other Arab countries, um, even, even, uh, not Arab countries, uh, European or American, uh, involvement, but there has to be a coalition that will enable this to happen. And it’s been done before. [00:24:21] Uri: The Saudis did it internally in Bahrain, in the UAE, in Morocco. This is how they’re able to join the Arab court. They changed the way they educate their children away from radicalism to a much more, uh, amiable and a much more, um, moderate way of life. And so this is must happen before the last step, which is massive. [00:24:47] Uri: Financial investment, just like the Marshall plan in Europe after the war with all its problems, uh, still created Germany and Japan, the most stable and most successful countries in the region. [00:25:00] And Gaza has the potential to be that the Palestinians have the talent, they have the skill, they have the entrepreneurship, they have the investors, they have the know how to create a paradise on the Mediterranean. [00:25:13] Uri: Gaza is the most beautiful beaches in the world. Really, the people there can really create a wonderful life, a Singapore or a Dubai on the Mediterranean, if only they chose to do so. Till today, we’ve seen that they’ve chosen the path of terrorism and supporting organizations like Hamas. It’s really up to them to make a different choice. [00:25:38] Justin: I want to give you a chance to, uh, to talk about where people can find you, uh, or a go flam with us. Uh, I know your website is, uh, is up a good place for folks to go and, uh, what should they discover? [00:25:49] Uri: So on my website, you can find, uh, traveltrailerisrael. com. You can find, Um, some of the more information about me and a ways to contact me. [00:25:58] Uri: If you want to get more [00:26:00] information under services tab, you’ll find resources. Uh, there are books, uh, anywhere from, from fiction to nonfiction. We’ll tell you about Israel. If you want to take a virtual tour of Israel. Then, um, there’s a video there that, uh, gives a quick explanation of, uh, of travel trailer, which is a, basically a library of short videos, almost 50 sites from all over the country. [00:26:23] Uri: Uh, you can stay at home. If you want to prepare for your trip to Israel or just take a look at what’s there, uh, you will, you can buy the, the video library. You’ll get it on your mobile device. Uh, follow the map, click play and sit back and enjoy. [00:26:39] Justin: There you have it. Thank you for taking the time to talk about this stuff with us. [00:26:43] Justin: And if you have updates or maybe there are things that happened along the way, I’d love to see if we get back in touch with you and have those conversations. [00:26:51] Uri: You bet. I’ll be more than happy to come back and keep the conversation going. Thank you very much for having me. You got it. My pleasure. God bless. [00:26:59] Uri: God bless. [00:27:00] [00:27:01] Justin: Don’t forget to share. Follow me everywhere at Mr. Justin Barclay on all the platforms at justinbarclay. com. You get my good newsletter. We can stay in touch no matter what happens with big tech and social media. 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