It’s been one year.. and the town of East Palestine is still struggling following a catastrophic train derailment.
This episode reveals troubling details about the aftermath, encompassing government inaction, the controversial handling of contamination by the EPA, and the grassroots responses emerging from within the community. Further, we examine the political dimensions that have become intertwined with the plight of the residents, and the health hazards that continue to loom over them.
Expert witnesses, Kristen Meghan Kelly and Tammy Clark provide insight into the extent of the contamination and the failures of risk communication, while local citizens and organizations rally in the face of adversity to demand accountability.
TRANSCRIPT BELOW
[00:00:00] Justin Barclay: going to be a heck of a ride. It’s like drinking from a firehose, never a dull moment, but yes, you’ll hear the stories you won’t hear anywhere else. And we appreciate you being here with us for today. I’m Justin Barclay.
[00:00:17] Justin Barclay: Can you believe it’s been one year and I can’t imagine what it’s like to live there, to be. in the community there to have to deal with everything that they have to deal with and have had to deal with over the last year. East Palestine, the train derailment was horrific for the folks who live in that area and folks around the area because there was so much fallout and question about what would happen with the contamination in that area.
[00:00:46] Justin Barclay: And finally, on the anniversary, Biden makes his way there. Uh, this is about, I guess, a year later after Trump had visited. The politics of this [00:01:00] continue to be an issue and I think, really, in a place where people just want answers. It’s not about politics with them, it’s about their everyday lives and what they have to deal with.
[00:01:09] Justin Barclay: And so, we, uh, When all of this happened, spoke with the dynamic duo who have been so good with us throughout so much of the craziness of the last couple of years, Kristen, Megan Kelly, and Tammy Clark. I won’t go through the long list of their credentials because they are quite lengthy, but they are essentially folks who have found themselves at the center of some very interesting stories over the last two years.
[00:01:36] Justin Barclay: They are industrial hygienists by trade, but I’m sure much more than that. I like them. explain all of it. I just know them as the dynamic duo. And folks who have been great with us to bring us the stories that nobody else will touch and continue looking for answers and to help people, particularly in this case that people have long since forgotten.
[00:01:56] Justin Barclay: So Kristen, Tammy, thank you so much for joining us today with this [00:02:00] big update a year later. Yeah, it’s, it’s sad that it’s a year later, but nothing still has been done correctly at all. Yeah. Thanks for having us again this morning, Justin. Um, we’ve been following this story. We were very involved as the two expert witnesses named in the federal court case, um, against the EPA, the Ohio State EPA agency and Governor DeWine.
[00:02:25] Tammy Clark: And, uh, that is all, of course, just being pushed out. The courts are not wanting to hear these cases, and the EPA is scrambling to try to cover everything up. And so we can provide lots of updates. What’s happening with our scientists on the ground there, the court cases, the testing and Biden’s visit. So let’s let’s get an update.
[00:02:45] Justin Barclay: What is the latest? Where does does it stand now with Ken contamination? Is it safe to drink the water? Was the whole question that I saw people, should Biden drink it? Will he drink it? And I thought to myself, here we go again with another [00:03:00] political stunt where these people have to not only drink the water but cook with it, they have to bathe with it, bathe their babies with it.
[00:03:07] Justin Barclay: I mean, it’s unthinkable the kind of things that they, they’ve had to deal with. Same situation in Flint, but it’s just, they kind of take a back seat to all the politics in this. So what’s the latest, Kristen? Well, in my honest professional opinion, no. They shouldn’t be eating the food that’s growing there in their own gardens.
[00:03:31] Kristen Meghan Kelly: They shouldn’t be drinking the water. They shouldn’t be bathing in the water, swimming in their pools. And that is because, I’ve mentioned this multiple times in our profession, until we deem that an area is safe by sampling down to a safe level, We have to treat it as a worst case scenario. This should be an EPA superfund site.
[00:03:50] Kristen Meghan Kelly: Um, this is, uh, we could make this a mini series, but Justin basically What has come out over the past year is [00:04:00]that the actual EPA’s Dioxin scientist was left out of this response Which is reminiscent to leaving IHs out of the pandemic response and he has now come forward He’s not allowed to speak to the Media, but in internal communications, he talked about how they should have had drone modeling samplers, which I’m familiar with.
[00:04:21] Kristen Meghan Kelly: The military has that they did not sample when they should have, which helps with the assumption of exposure through the modeling and he’s openly admitted it’s too late now. So when it’s too late, you cannot ever declare an area safe because you don’t know the initial exposure. And when you’re dealing with dioxins, I mean, they are like, they permeate everything, water, soil.
[00:04:49] Kristen Meghan Kelly: It stays for a long time. It’s like Fukushima. And I just really will say, like, again, look at what Congress has done with the PACT Act with the military due to the dioxin [00:05:00] exposure from the burn pits. My husband is a victim of that, has severe asthma. Uh, look at the attention to that. And the EPA has spent more time covering up the exposure data than actually helping the people in Ohio.
[00:05:12] Justin Barclay: So let’s break this down. What actually happened because it was a train derailment and that’s one thing and train was carrying, but on top of that, uh, they then decided that to get rid of some of this, they were going to do like a burn off of some of these things, which caused a number of. Extra issues.
[00:05:30] Justin Barclay: Additionally, on top of all of it, and that’s what some of the biggest pictures are. We see that when we see that the photos and the footage of, you know, the cloud and like that mushroom cloud, that’s one of the most famous ones. I’m sure that’s etched to a lot of people’s minds there in East Palestine.
[00:05:49] Justin Barclay: But break it down. What exactly happened? What was the train derailment and the other events that led to what the disaster we now know was East Palestine? [00:06:00] Well, if I can just issue really, really quick, I want to, I’ll let Tammy explain that timeline, but I want to point out something that you just said that is so important.
[00:06:09] Kristen Meghan Kelly: It is what happened from the burn and you had byproducts like phosgene and other additional chemicals. And when it comes to sampling for exposure data, there are, um, like in our profession, there’s like occupational exposure limits or permissible exposure limits for different individual chemicals. There is no data on the combined.
[00:06:32] Kristen Meghan Kelly: or cumulative or synergistic toxicity of all of these. So you don’t know what you’re looking for. As our friend Scott Smith says, he’s on the ground there. Um, or you can’t find what you’re not looking for, excuse me, but that is the biggest issue that you just called out. But Tammy, you want to explain the timeline because it was wrong from the start.
[00:06:53] Tammy Clark: Yeah, I mean, it really was because we had this initial derailment and then very quickly we had, [00:07:00] uh, Norfolk Southern, uh, inform people that they’re going to do a controlled burn. And really it was. What I called an uncontrolled controlled burn, and that was really, we don’t feel that was necessary. Now that we know looking back, uh, the reason that they would do a controlled burn would be because of building pressure, um, and heat within the tanks.
[00:07:20] Tammy Clark: And if they did not do a controlled burn to release that, it would actually be worse because you have an explosion and with an. metal and shrapnel that w as well, which would obvi hazard. So what they did derailed, they decided to now know it was to get th again. Um, so very quickly dig trenches along the si tracks, puncture and bleed controlled burn all of the chemical that is in those ditches and trenches basically alongside the tracks.
[00:07:55] Tammy Clark: Um, so there was a lot of problems with this because as we reported on this initially, they [00:08:00] did not give proper risk communication to the citizens there. They did not tell people how to shelter in place, how to get out of the town, evacuate. If they were there properly taped, seal their doors, their vents, turn off their HVAC systems.
[00:08:13] Tammy Clark: So they did this controlled burn basically to get the train, the trains moving again without any consideration for the health and safety of the people and the environment that this burn would affect. So here, yep, here we’re seeing pictures of the burn. Um, the, the trains obviously after they had derailed, uh, the explosions and Then we have this burn going on and then the people were told three days later, everything is perfectly safe.
[00:08:42] Tammy Clark: If you have left, it’s perfectly safe to come back in. Meanwhile, there was no sampling done. How do we know the E. P. A. Did not send in their scientists. In fact, the head of the E. P. A. told a CNN reporter. We’ve played this clip before with you on your show. Um, that when she asked, you know, when are you [00:09:00] going to get in and do sampling?
[00:09:01] Tammy Clark: You’ve told the people there it’s perfectly safe for them to be living in their homes. But when are you going to go in and do testing? And he actually told her, well, this is a very serious environmental disaster. So as soon as it is safe for our scientists to go in and do testing, we will let them go back in.
[00:09:17] Tammy Clark: Meanwhile, the townspeople are told there’s nothing to see here. It’s perfectly safe. And they had not done proper testing. At that point, yeah, at that point, that’s when Courtney Smith, one of the residents, contacted Scott Smith, um, our friend and scientist who’s on the ground, who’s been doing the majority of the sampling, um, for our team, uh, that’s when she contacted him, and he went in and started doing sampling, and as soon as he was in the water, in the creek behind her house, collecting water samples and sludge and soil samples, the, the people from, that were the contractors, from Norfolk Southern came out of the woods and demanded that he tell them what he was doing.
[00:09:54] Tammy Clark: Are you taking samples? What are you doing here? Meanwhile, he’s on private property asking them the [00:10:00] same things and they won’t give him any answers. So now we know they were doing some testing, but it was all hidden and it was very secretive. And these were contractors of Norfolk Southern and they did not disclose they were testing for what they wanted to find.
[00:10:13] Tammy Clark: But if you go on the EPA’s website, Scott pointed out they hid everything they were testing. All of those tests are hidden. And so there’s this timeline of inappropriate response. Inappropriate risk communication, inappropriate burn. They should not have done the burn the way they did. Uh, we now know that looking back.
[00:10:32] Tammy Clark: And then, of course, inappropriate testing. And they’re, they’re sampling with inappropriate media. They’re not sampling for what we need to be looking for. And so now how can we properly communicate to people this town is safe. They did not collect the samples. They did not collect for dioxins like they should have.
[00:10:49] Tammy Clark: And so they were basically sampling and the contractors for Norfolk Southern and the EPA have a long history of doing this. And we now know from those inside the EPA who are. [00:11:00] kind of blowing the whistle on this and saying it’s a little too late now. Now these people are just exposed and all the medical issues that Kristen and I said we were going to start seeing way back when, when we first came on your show and we said that we’re going to see cancer clusters, we’re going to see neurological disorders and diseases, we’re going to see all kinds of developmental and birth defects happening.
[00:11:20] Tammy Clark: Now these people are experiencing incredibly Uh, horrific medical issues and when Biden came in just a week or so ago, did not even address any of this and cherry pick the residents that he would talk to. So, I mean, this whole thing is just a disaster and the EPA has basically become the mouthpiece of Norfolk Southern.
[00:11:44] Justin Barclay: What is, I’m looking at this article, this is Mother Jones and talking about people that are still experiencing symptoms and you mentioned some of the major health problems, but Christian and Tammy, what, what are people still dealing with right now from the fallout of all of this? Well, [00:12:00] the biggest complaint is still rashes, um, new diagnosis of asthma, and those with asthma are having it highly aggravated.
[00:12:08] Kristen Meghan Kelly: Um, I recently did a space with, uh, myself, Tammy, Steven Petty, and Scott Smith, who are all involved in this. And Scott disclosed to us, um, that there was a gentleman who got diagnosed with double breast cancer. I said this from day one that these chemicals like benzene and toluene and these semi volatile organic compounds are known to leach into the breast tissue.
[00:12:32] Kristen Meghan Kelly: And for women, that means it can get absorbed into your breast milk. And when you breastfeed your baby’s ingesting these carcinogens. Um, so the thing is with a lot of these, um, chemicals that we know of. Um, remember there’s the base exposure and then there’s the synergistic effect and what happens when they combined.
[00:12:53] Kristen Meghan Kelly: But the problem is, is these types of contaminants, it’s like the worst you can get. What I mean is the routes of [00:13:00] entry. See, some chemicals are. You know, not necessarily an inhalation hazard, but they’re an ingestion hazard. These hazards are all routes of entry. Inhalation, absorption, um, ingestion, contact hazards, uh, gets into your eyes, so you’re seeing just skin rashes, um, we still have people that have, um, uh, massive issues with kind of like contact dermatitis, but like a chemical burns that still happen.
[00:13:29] Kristen Meghan Kelly: And I think what is the worst situation is me knowing with my background in toxicology how bad This is to the reproductive health system of women So the amount of like children that are in puberty who knows? What is happening to their eggs? What is happening to their cycles? I know that this has been disrupting women’s cycles heavily and um I really need people to understand cross contamination [00:14:00] because the EPA is absolutely refusing to test inside of the homes.
[00:14:04] Kristen Meghan Kelly: And just think about the fallout. I always tell people to look at chemicals or radiation things they can’t see as blood. So imagine when this came in through the HVAC systems and everything. It is on like Things inside the home, like makeup brushes. Um, it was my husband that actually led the charge for them to start sampling the HVAC filters.
[00:14:25] Kristen Meghan Kelly: Um, there’s a bit of irony there, but, um, yeah, that’s where you started to get the data of what came into the homes because we didn’t do any of that modeling, uh, aerial sampling. So different people that have preexisting health conditions like COPD, asthma. Or just people that have individual sensitivities that can’t use like perfumed lotions and things like that.
[00:14:45] Kristen Meghan Kelly: This is complete hell on earth for them. So this is already hazardous to the healthiest person, but imagine those people that have those immunocompromised situations or existing respiratory issues. I think to [00:15:00] me if, if we’re coming up on Easter, remember I think my biggest jaw drop moment was when I saw the EPA and the health officials there clearly say it’s okay.
[00:15:11] Kristen Meghan Kelly: We can have this Easter egg hunt and they put these plastic eggs on the lawn near the school in this park, which since then has had testing that shows they shouldn’t have done that. I mean, remember, this is the same EPA that told us on 9 11, like, it was safe. And look at what we dealt with now. How many people have died because of the, uh, asbestos exposure and other things.
[00:15:33] Kristen Meghan Kelly: So, um, I can’t convey enough how bad this is, but I think it’s important for us to also cover What, not only what the people are going through, but if we kind of shift into the Biden administration visiting and how he spoke to people that were chosen, how he’s working with this, I think it’s called moms for clean air force organization.
[00:15:53] Kristen Meghan Kelly: So they’re trying to use. Um, it reminds me of Mothers Against Drunk Drivers, like these mom groups that you think would [00:16:00] be honest and ethical. And I’m not disparaging them, but the people that live there, their voice is what matters because they’re the ones that have been affected financially, mentally, uh, physiologically.
[00:16:12] Kristen Meghan Kelly: And um, I just, it, it burns my insides that this still is not being labeled a Superfund site. We watch all of this continue, uh, to, to unfold. And as you mentioned some of those things, I was. Highlighted this on the Mother Jones article. Since the train derailment, my skin has been red like a lobster, especially any time after I shower.
[00:16:35] Justin Barclay: I’ve been breaking out. I’m incredibly congested. I have psoriasis, but now it’s so bad that it bleeds. One woman said, pressing one finger to her pink face, leaving a white impression behind. So when they tell me that everything is safe here, that’s really hard to believe. That’s Hillary Flint, ironically her last name, uploaded a new video to her TikTok account.
[00:16:56] Justin Barclay: The clip starts with the up close of her face, her cheeks [00:17:00] flushed, her gaze trained on the camera, the post is tagged East Palestine, I live. In Eden Valley, Pennsylvania, she says, less than five miles from that train derailment, Norfolk Southern there. Um, I, all of, so again, and it’s no surprise, but I figured in this update, we would, we would come to the, the, the conclusion that really not much has taken place.
[00:17:24] Justin Barclay: That this story had just been swept off the news for the next disaster of the day, crisis du jour, like we’re seeing every day. Something new. I always say it’s like drinking from a fire hose, but part of that distraction is the idea that. We just throw so much at them that they won’t be able to keep up with everything.
[00:17:41] Justin Barclay: And here’s another one of those stories that this happened in East Palestine, but really it could have happened anywhere in America. It doesn’t matter where it happened. It could have been any place in America and they would have swept it underneath the rug what happened to these regular average people.
[00:17:57] Justin Barclay: And I guess the question [00:18:00] is. You continue to do the the dirt, the dirty work behind the scenes, so to speak, I get your hands dirty and dig into all of this. What do we do other than and tell me this question for you, but like continuing to keep this top of mind for people so that they know what’s going on.
[00:18:17] Justin Barclay: They know what these people are fighting. And what can average people do that are hearing this right now? I mean, I know there’s so many different things that are out there taking our time, our attention, and, and our resources, but what can people do to help these people get, get some sort of conclusion out of this?
[00:18:35] Tammy Clark: Well, right. We are in an election year, and it is incredibly important that we elect good people who will hold these agencies accountable and send them to Congress. This is a congressional issue. Congress is directly responsible for the activities and the actions. They hold the purse strings of these regulatory agencies.
[00:18:56] Tammy Clark: It is only Congress that can rein in these [00:19:00]agencies that can control them through funding through the Appropriations Committee. So what we need to do as citizens, I mean, this runaway government is really our fault because we have elected officials that are not truly representing us. So we’ve got to elect good people who understand that this government and these runaway road government agencies that have been weaponized, they answer to us, not the other way around.
[00:19:23] Tammy Clark: So when we see things like this happening, we’ve got to get involved. We’ve got to get involved in campaigns for good congressional leaders, for people who understand their responsibility. And, you know, right now is a time for bold leadership. We cannot have elected officials. Who will not stand up and do the right thing and rock the boat.
[00:19:41] Tammy Clark: Like what Marjorie Taylor green and Thomas Massey and others are doing. We need strong, bold leaders, and we need to elect those people and send them to Congress because it is only Congress that can reign in these agencies. But that’s the power that we, the people have through our vote and through getting involved in these campaigns.
[00:19:59] Tammy Clark: And by [00:20:00] working really hard to deconstruct what we have right now, the mess that we have in Congress with elected officials, you know, even supposedly conservative Republican officials who will not stand up. They will not speak up. They are afraid to rock the boat. They like their cushy paychecks. They like their, you know, being able to go to their cigar bars and have their bourbon and all of that.
[00:20:22] Tammy Clark: And they’re more concerned about that and keeping their job than they are about protecting people and holding these regulatory agencies accountable. That’s where we, the people, the everyday average citizen can make a real difference by getting involved in the campaigns for blood elected officials that understand the proper authority.
[00:20:39] Tammy Clark: within Congress that it is Congress’s fault that these runaway agencies have been able to be weaponized and are not doing their jobs. And so my call has been, we need to privatize these agencies. They have proven that they are not protecting the environment that they were designed to protect. They are not protecting the people.
[00:20:57] Tammy Clark: like OSHA. They were created to protect. In [00:21:00] fact, these agencies are now the greatest perpetrators of harm. So we need to take away their power because they’ve proven that they cannot handle the responsibility that they’ve been given. We need to put new people in charge. Some of these agencies need to be completely dissolved.
[00:21:13] Tammy Clark: Some of them need to be privatized and we need to put new leaders in place, in position. I, I couldn’t agree more. Um, I don’t know, it’s so, it’s so infested, the whole thing is. It reminds me of dragging the, the Christmas decorations, I think about this all the time, but that’s the best way I can describe the imagery is dragging the Christmas decorations out of the attic.
[00:21:39] Justin Barclay: And we’re going to put the lights on the tree and it’s a ball, it’s just a ball of mess and how do you pull those, how do you untangle it? That’s the way I see this is, you know, those lights are still good. If we can untangle it, we can put them on the tree, we can, we can make it work, but they’re just a mess right now.
[00:21:58] Justin Barclay: And that’s what we’re dealing with. [00:22:00] We got a mess. Yes, you’re right. But this starts locally. We can start to untangle it one step at a time. The problem is we have been asleep and we have been apathetic for too long. And the other side has been working tirelessly for decades to get people in charge. That are really power hungry.
[00:22:20] Tammy Clark: They’re working in a very fascist relationship, colluding with these big companies, with big unions, protecting their interests, not the interests of the environment and the people they were created to serve. So we’ve got to start where we can. Number one, getting involved in the campaigns of good congressional leaders.
[00:22:37] Tammy Clark: Number two, locally, look what we did in big Rapids. Look what we, the people did in one little township. We literally defeated China. We defeated Goshen. Right. I mean, that’s the power of the people. We recalled every single one of those green township board members that had committed treason by selling their land for an undisclosed amount, signing an NDA in [00:23:00] partnership with China to allow them to come in and take over their little township.
[00:23:04] Tammy Clark: We, the people did that. So we can start locally, then we can work on our state races and our national congressional races. It’s going to take time because we’re coming from behind, but we can do it. And we’ve proven that in only not even quite four years yet, since we’ve been dealing with this pandemic mess, we have, we have demonstrated.
[00:23:24] Tammy Clark: Through effective citizen activists, we can turn things around and, and, you know, you don’t turn the Titanic around overnight, but we can do it and we have been making great progress. So I would just encourage people don’t throw your hands up and check out because it feels overwhelming because that’s a short pathway to loss.
[00:23:42] Tammy Clark: Right. But we can get involved locally and we can get involved in these campaigns during this election year and we just have to start somewhere. But we’re making great gains quickly. Yeah, I think it’s so important. The other thing is, um, you mentioned Goshen and today [00:24:00]we had a conversation. There’s still lots happening behind the scene there this weekend.
[00:24:05] Justin Barclay: I mean, we had a win. We defeated with the recall, but yet still much of it marches on. So it’s like every day. The fight. never stops. We can’t ever think that, hey, we just got a good win and we’re done, you know, right? They continue to march on and play a game of just being able to drip drip and eventually wear us out.
[00:24:28] Justin Barclay: But I know, um, in Mecosta County are still, they still continue to fight. In fact, there were like lots of trees cut down this weekend, uh, cut down the wrong trees. And there’s a whole thing about that. But there’s even more information that’s come out. And this is the good news. Part of it is that we’re learning that, uh, Some of the initial was breaking news today.
[00:24:50] Justin Barclay: Some of the initial, uh, I guess approval process from the township, the old guard that was in there never really fully [00:25:00]got voted on or signed the deal. Never really got done. So they’re looking at possibly. It’ll 20 some odd million dollars that’s out there flying around right now on top of all of this money that’s out there that may, uh, may be fraudulent because nothing didn’t go through the, the real approval process.
[00:25:20] Justin Barclay: Sounds very reminiscent of a situation here in Ottawa County. It’s little things though. And, and that’s where the wind’s going to start. Maybe not necessarily going to be a tsunami, but it’ll be little bitty waves that chip away at the shoreline there. And over time make that difference, but it is average everyday people.
[00:25:40] Justin Barclay: What about the folks in, in East Pass? Where’s their state of mind at right now? Like, Kristen, are they, are they, are they, do they remain resilient? I mean, I know this has got to be horrific, but where are they at? Well, first I’ll tell you, this is a town where, um, it’s not like a very wealthy area. I’m not [00:26:00] disparaging these people.
[00:26:00] Kristen Meghan Kelly: It’s just, you know, middle America. Um, several low income families. And these were everyday people were kind of everyone knows everyone. And I’ll tell you this has brought them together and they are standing up fiercely and a lot of them are stepping into new territory. They’re hosting town halls. Um, the stay at home moms are vocal like people have found a new purpose because you know, they did not expect to be in the situation.
[00:26:26] Kristen Meghan Kelly: But they are standing together in the beginning of the, of this happening, there was a little bit of infighting, which you’ll have in any major situation, but it was because of like, just offline jealousy stuff of who’s in the media, who’s this, who got this, uh, their house tested, but now they’re all realizing they’re still all the same victims and that they are louder and, uh, have a bigger impact when they’re working together.
[00:26:51] Kristen Meghan Kelly: And I saw on the screen earlier, you had a friend of mine who’s running for Congress, uh, Dr. Rick to sigh. He is being [00:27:00] very, very vocal about this and the health impacts and what he is seeing. And one thing that I have to point out also is When you think about the people who are the subject matter experts, and we’ve talked about this through the pandemic, the multidisciplinary approach and review, that’s what we’ve been doing here.
[00:27:19] Kristen Meghan Kelly: We are part of a team of Dr. Beatrice Gollum, like the most world renowned, I’m not saying Tammy and I are, but some people on our team are world renowned. scientists and toxicologists and doctors, occupational health doctors, because this is the people that usually see these exposures. They are doing the work of the government.
[00:27:37] Kristen Meghan Kelly: So when people think, Oh, if we privatize the EPA, I’m sorry, but just little old Scott Smith has done more sampling and got more exposure data than the entire state and federal EPA involved in this situation. So we, the people can do the work of the government, do it cheaper and do it better. And that’s why I said earlier, they’re spending more time trying to [00:28:00] call what is coming out as dis and misinformation versus actually helping the people.
[00:28:05] Kristen Meghan Kelly: And I don’t understand why it’s so difficult to say, I’m so sorry we got it wrong. What do we do? Because again, this is exactly what they did with the burn pits in the military. They said this was wrong, put your claim in and you’re going to get automatically approved. Veterans are no special than when it comes to a hazard.
[00:28:23] Kristen Meghan Kelly: Hazards in the military aren’t any more special than hazards in the civilian world. Especially when it’s hazards brought on by our very own government and their missteps. And I just want to say that don’t forget Black Rock owns like 7 or 8 percent of Norfolk Southern. And this is probably, I will confidently say in my lifetime having my hand in this, this is the most corrupt thing that I’ve ever witnessed in my career.
[00:28:49] Kristen Meghan Kelly: And I blew the whistle on the entire Air Force, so that’s a lot coming from me. Moving forward, we just talked about what people can do. How can they can support? Is there anything with the [00:29:00] organizations that are doing testing or anything like that? Is there any way that folks may be able to support in those ways too?
[00:29:06] Kristen Meghan Kelly: Yes, there are two organizations. One, as always, WeThePatriotsUSA. org. WeThePatriots is the only entity that is actually suing. The federal and state EPA, the governor and the local health department. I’m not trying to bash all class actions, but we all know how those turn out. The attorneys get rich. We’re trying to get accountability from the very people that made this a greater issue.
[00:29:29] Kristen Meghan Kelly: And then also the government accountability group, um, they are helping Scott Smith. They, these are selfless organizations that are trying to help, uh, get the real message out. And they also are the ones. that are foiling like crazy. And that’s how they’re getting all these internal emails from the EPA showing, which, by the way, I have to point out, they tested for dioxins a long time ago without telling people they were actually testing for dioxins, which is that they knew.
[00:29:58] Justin Barclay: Is that whistleblower. [00:30:00] org? Uh, no, it’s the government accountability group. I’m not sure of their website, but I will just tell your listeners. There’s a couple of those out there, so just be, be aware. I would go on Twitter or X, look up Scott Smith. His handle is easy to remember. It’s WaterWarrior1. So WaterWarrior1 is our friend and colleague, Scott Smith.
[00:30:23] Kristen Meghan Kelly: He is working hand in hand with that government accountability group. Um, so if you actually want to find their handle, please just go to water warrior one. I retweet a lot of Scott stuff too, but we need to support people that are not just like government friendly NGOs. We need people that are everyday grassroots organizations that have been born out of tyranny and government missteps and both we, the Patriots USA and the government accountability group have both done.
[00:30:48] Kristen Meghan Kelly: So yes, your website is whistleblower. org. It is Whistleblower. org. Okay. Great. That’s what I was wondering. There’s a couple of, [00:31:00] couple of those out there, but I just wanted to make sure we put the right one up. Whistleblower. org for folks, if you want to check that, we’ll put it in the link as well. So you can go check those out.
[00:31:09] Kristen Meghan Kelly: Excuse me. Government Accountability Project. Yeah, if you put in government accountability, you’re gonna get the G. A. O. And I don’t know that my name will probably pop up. I don’t know how much accountability they’re keeping themselves accountable for. Thank you so much for being on the forefront of this and fighting.
[00:31:26] Justin Barclay: Please come back if there’s anything else that we need to get updates on this in the future. We want to make sure this stays at top of mind, at least for folks that You know, I can’t imagine this happened anywhere, uh, if it’s happened in your neighborhood, you’d want it cleaned up, you’d want it fixed, you’d want this.
[00:31:43] Justin Barclay: You want to, more so than anything else, you want to see if there’s any way you can make sure that this doesn’t happen again. Because there’s no need. We see a lot of these things that are happening these days. They’re completely avoidable. They’re completely avoidable. We didn’t have to go through this mess that we’re going through and [00:32:00] these folks don’t have to deal with this.
[00:32:01] Justin Barclay: They shouldn’t have to. All of the things that have led this, uh, to, to this point. Really, a lot of it boils down to just completely people being, uh, unable to, to do the very simple things and do the right thing. And over and over again, we’re just seeing that happen. It’s, uh, it’s incompetence. Some of it might be, well, it’s all, it’s intentional.
[00:32:27] Tammy Clark: And this is why we told you in the beginning, when we were here, the EPA violated their own standards and protocols. And we know because we are EPA trained. That’s why we were there right away and blew the whistle on this, just like we did on OSHA and the government’s handling of the pandemic way back when they are guilty of revisionism, violating their own protocols and standards.
[00:32:45] Tammy Clark: And these leaders know it. And that’s why I’m very proud of Dr. Rick Tassai. From East Palestine who’s standing up and running for Congress. That’s what we need. That’s the kind of thing that will lead to real change. Thank you so much for taking the [00:33:00] time again. Kristen, Megan Kelly, Tammy Clark. Always a pleasure.
[00:33:03] Justin Barclay: We appreciate you and keep up the good fight. Thank you, Justin. God bless for being here today. Don’t forget to share. Follow me everywhere at Mr. Justin Barclay on all the platforms at justinbarclay. com. You get my good newsletter. We can stay in touch no matter what happens with dig tech. And social media.
[00:33:20] Justin Barclay: Let’s continue to get these stories out so that people can hear the truth. Why does that matter? Well, when you hear the truth, you can make the best decision for you and your families. And that’s important. And no matter what happens, folks, my peace, my hope doesn’t come from my circumstances. It certainly doesn’t come from the people that are in the White House or in Washington, D.
[00:33:39] Justin Barclay: C. My peace, my hope, my joy is from someplace altogether. Much bigger. Keep your eyes focused on him. God is still on the throne. God bless.
